Everything Is Everything Now

Came across this video on Youtube and found it pretty interesting.
I know the genie is out of the bottle and there’s no point in fighting the windmills, but something about the latest developments is making it hard for me to be excited about.

So the video is basically showing from a gamer’s perspective how the barrier to take existing code and to make your own mods has virtually suddenly disappeared.

Would be cool if we could discuss this as a community and help each others make sense of the new realities.

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The new reality: is turn off your computer and nothing has changed.

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We need to do something like in the science-fiction story „Dune“: Abandon and erase „thinking machines“.
Otherwise it seems better to unplug as much as possible.
Dont know, but right now, i somehow feel lucky that i still heat my appartement with wood.

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Didn’t watch the video but the whole AI thing does concern me in ways I find irritating. I fear it might take away joy from some things that I like. And at the same time, I came to realize that AI might actually be a good thing in the long run because AI is not living in the real world. Everything we’re talking about is only in our minds, not in a physical space. It will be easier to realize how shallow everything surrounding computers and the internet actually is. It’s just a nice distraction.

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I kind of feel the same. Like a strong urge to just go outside and go “back to nature”. Play with my kid and be outside the internet and it’s connections.
It feels like everything in the digital world is becoming more and more worthless, redudant. There are no more boundaries of firmware or software, of programs designed by humans minds, forged by human work…
To use a classical Marxist term: Alienation

Edit: In terms of electronic music gear I think we will see a disruption of the development of new digital gear. Because what is the difference between an MPC One, Octatrack or an M-Vave FM-1.
In the end they will all have the same Dexed-instances, Mutable Instruments-clones, Euclidean Sequncers, Conditional Triggers. Everything what once was a distinguish set of features of a digital machine will become obsolete.
If a device has a MCU and can run barebone Linux, it will become everything and nothing in the end…

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i wasnt aware of much of what is discussed in that video… its pretty mad . id often check the content of the ‘thing’ i was working on thinking someone might extract the textures … just to ensure artists were not hiding things in them / using brands etc we hadn’t licensed… but modding / gaming moved onto people ripping characters , modding etc became a big thing. and embraced by both communities and developers… … that video shows how its going to an entirely different level…
creating exploits is going to get even more crazy .
interesting… thanks for posting … i wouldnt have watched his channel otherwise … never heard of him …

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I made some works at university about the term and concept of Marx „Entfremdung“ (Alienation), and you are fcking right. The whole concept gets even more truth over time.

Great, even more things to distract people from the things they should pay attention to.

There’s price for this, and we’ll all (the 99%) be paying it.

This.

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One thing to consider:

Right now, the AI companies are ahead of the copyright holders. But we’re only a few corporate backroom deals away from the copyright holders getting the AI companies to build copyright protections into the AI models, at which point the machines will immediately stop you from infringement.

I’m not an AI enthusiast, but I also recognize its potential as a productivity enhancer for skilled people. I think five years from now, the gold rush will have ended and we’ll think of AI the same way we think of calculators.

Going to watch the video after today’s school run — I’ll update if it changes my mind!

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benn jordon etc have been doing the equivalent of copy protection for music , encoding tracks that confuse ai … im sure it’ll develop further for game/software/apps etc .
or at least additional safeguards in addition to not wiping out humans … big corp money will protect itself … we’ll be fine as Trump is on the case …

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The primary purpose of AI is to allow wealth to access skill while removing from the skilled the ability to access wealth

What you describe is a side-effect outside that primary purpose, and that will be eliminated over time.

The only thing we could do against that is eliminate copyright and patents.

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That’s an interesting take about copyright holders reining in the AI models… Didn’t think it was gonna be possible. That would definitely change the situation.

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Close your eyes and you’re in Disneyland!

Great tip! It’s almost like I can feel my bank balance draining away!

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There definitely is a point to fighting the windmills. The only people saying that LLMs are inevitable—and that you’d better not get left behind, etc—are the folks behind the AI companies. Them, and AI boosters.

Many of them are the same people who said the same thing about cryptocurrencies and the metaverse, neither of which turned out to be inevitable.

I definitely agree with this flattening, where everything does everything. It’s a continuation of what the internet has done for a lot of culture. Identical Instagram cafes in cities around the world etc.

But human design will always have the edge over LLMs because they can develop with taste, and make trade offs for usability.

Take a look at the excellent Ableton Move UI, vs the Homer’s-car mess of the slop Schwung hacks.

Or the beautifully minimal design of the M8’s UI. There’s no way a codebot could make something so simple, and consistent, and powerful.

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Everything is something, but something isn’t everything

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I recently came across this interesting post somewhere on online of someone saying it was the modern day Radium: will prove life saving in small amounts in a tiny number of applications… but now that we just discovered it, we put it absolutely everywhere until we realize how many people it killed.

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At least Disneyland is honest about being a simulation, and many ppl still can’t see that. :sweat_smile:

We are the Borg

i dont like the idea that curated things and limits will be gone essentially, but i do like the idea of not having to beg and wait and hope and purchase things to try and approximate a goal you are seeking

we have literal magic at our fingertips, and the playing field for programming and creating anything you want has been equalized

about 2 weeks ago now, i was thinking i wanted a nebulae v2. but i dont want to invest in eurorack and have no desire to go that route. so i built a perfect working nebulae in guitar pedal form. it sounds identical, then i added a bpf, a freq shifter, internal lfos for 4 core knobs, made the punch-in looping and overdubbing tighter, made it better for rhythmic evolving textures and loop re-arranging.

and that was possible because ai helped me learn to properly solder, i didnt have to sift through half baked smug answers on guitar forums and beg people to help me without talking down to me, it helped me put together shopping carts for components, and packing lists, it helped me anytime i hit a snag by answering my specific question based on my specific variables, it helped me learn how to do acid etching for the pedal art, then later how to make perfect waterslide decal artwork that looks like a fully manufactured pedal, using ideas i had, but placing the graphics around the drill templates with full text labels and everything. then it helped me take the script and edit it to fit my use case. it suggests alternatives, pushes back when you try to overload things, runs iterative tests before handing you a non-working output, and explains what its doing and why, where things went wrong, and how we can mitigate those things moving forward

i’ve built a granular sampler tool that runs in chrome and has all of my favorite sound sculpting fx like weird ultra specific vocoding and comb filtering and freq shifting. yesterday i realized whimsical io started charging per diagram object, so i built my own WAY BETTER version of that to make my hardware audio setup diagrams so i can keep track of how everything is routed.

I wrote a massive concept pitch for a 3d textural album visualizer for a heavily textural concrète album i made a few years ago so i could approximate what the sound of that album looks like in my head when i listen to it on headphones. claude helped me bounce ideas back and forth based on my vision, and codex made 3d models in blender, rendered them over about 6 days without any input from me, then made them audio reactive based on multiband input analyzers in touchdesigner. I understand the aversion to artistic output here and i am very against using ai for actual audio generation. but im not a visual artist. no one is listening to this album on youtube, this is just for me, i dont have the time to learn blender. i have learned a little TD in the past, but i would rather spend my time building physical objects or making music. so for me, this is still my vision, i formulated and approved and chiseled away at this visual output for days until it was something i wanted. i dont get how thats any worse than people using pre-bought sample packs and loop packs that someone else made and just stacking them in a daw like legos. or taking an 80s funk track and slowing down with some reverb and calling it vaporwave. in fact, i believe the ai workflow is more original

Im currently working on adding the clip launching/live sequencing functionality to the blackbox that ive wanted since pre 3.0 days and making it much better than the early functionality ever was. thats getting close to finished within 2 days

we are at a point now where we can make anything we want. that should be the most exciting thing in the world.

i want creators and companies that i love like elektron to keep building and selling things. i think they are the best at it. and i think they will remain successful, but i also think this will help push things forward.

So im not advocating for putting every feature in one thing. or making your sp404 an mpc. but we now have to power to ask claude to teach us how to build our own machines with standoffs and CAD designed enclosures and hardware from tayda with custom pcbs and custom tutorials made in blender.

so i see this as a tool. I was always of the mind that having to learn some man-made esoteric language in order to make something work felt so gross and arbitrary, like playing videogames that are predetermined sandboxes. and now thats eliminated. i think there is value in learning the fundamentals, which i have. understanding functions, conditions, loops, logic. but reading assembly? why would anyone want to exert their energy which could be spent creating something beautiful on learning some Klingon that some other dude made just to be able to make a computer do what you want it to do? whats really wrong with that?

i agree that we need to use our taste to discern between ugly output and something visually and artistically appealing. but again, this is a tool. the user can push and influence the output. the user can curate. the tool just helps realize the vision

now creatives can use their ideas to build powerful new tools, without having to waste time learning where to put a tilde and hunting for a missing semicolon or knowing what a template literal or a hook is. i think thats beautiful

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