Recently I saw people here saying they hardly ever use the random LFO type, whereas I hardly ever don’t use it, at least for something.
For a while I’ve been wondering what the sources of entropy are in Elektron boxes, given the only external inputs (if you’re not processing third-party audio) are key presses and encoder actions.
Is there perhaps something built-in to the CPUs? Or is there a hardware random number generator?
Just wanted to say that I’m also a fan of the random LFO type in most devices.
It’s a good question - and one there isn’t any answer for AFAIK. I asked the question to Elektron awhile back and didn’t get an answer. I would also be curious to know if other people have also felt like RNDM isn’t truly random at times (i.e. that it eventually begins to loop).
Have also wondered why it is the only LFO waveform in Overbridge without UI phase animation.
Test 1:
BPM 120 / SPD 48 / MULT BPM 1 / FREE MODE / DEP 128
10:01:31.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 58
10:01:31.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 127
10:01:32.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:32.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 55
10:01:32.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:33.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 38
10:01:33.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 20
10:01:33.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 58
10:01:34.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 78
10:01:34.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:35.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 90
10:01:35.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 46
10:01:35.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:36.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 59
10:01:36.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:37.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 42
10:01:37.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 24
10:01:37.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 65
10:01:38.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 89
10:01:38.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:39.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 123
10:01:39.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 4
10:01:40.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 126
10:01:40.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:41.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 127
10:01:41.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:42.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 127
10:01:42.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:43.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 124
10:01:43.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 121
10:01:43.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:44.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 108
10:01:44.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 96
10:01:44.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:45.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 44
10:01:45.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:45.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 34
10:01:46.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 25
10:01:46.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 58
10:01:46.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 82
10:01:47.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:47.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 105
10:01:48.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 71
10:01:48.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:49.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 63
10:01:50.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:50.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 23
10:01:50.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:51.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 6
10:01:51.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:53.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 97
10:01:54.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:54.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 95
10:01:54.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 93
10:01:55.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:55.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 24
10:01:55.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:57.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 96
10:01:57.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 4
10:01:57.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 99
10:01:58.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 103
10:01:58.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:58.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 48
10:01:59.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:01:59.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 41
10:01:59.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 34
10:02:00.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 75
10:02:00.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 108
10:02:00.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:01.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 34
10:02:01.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:03.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 100
10:02:03.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:03.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 97
10:02:04.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 95
10:02:04.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:04.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 30
10:02:05.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:06.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 113
10:02:07.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 19
10:02:07.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:08.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 25
10:02:08.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:09.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 116
10:02:09.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 58
10:02:09.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:10.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 121
10:02:11.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 11
10:02:11.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:12.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 18
10:02:12.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:13.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 82
10:02:13.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 4
10:02:13.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 86
10:02:14.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 90
10:02:14.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:14.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 8
10:02:15.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:15.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 116
10:02:16.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 50
10:02:16.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:17.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 123
10:02:17.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 80
10:02:17.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:18.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 26
10:02:18.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:20.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 75
10:02:20.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:21.226 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 41
10:02:21.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 7
10:02:21.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 47
10:02:22.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 53
10:02:22.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 100
10:02:22.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:24.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 36
10:02:24.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:25.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 95
10:02:25.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:26.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 70
10:02:26.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 46
10:02:26.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 116
10:02:27.225 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:27.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 20
10:02:27.892 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 0
10:02:28.559 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 124
10:02:28.893 From Elektron Digitakt II Control 1 Sound Variation 68
Observations:
Test 2:
BPM 120 / SPD 48 / MULT 1 / FREE MODE / DEP 128
| 10:18:04.405 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 9 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 10:18:04.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:05.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 92 |
| 10:18:06.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:06.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 88 |
| 10:18:06.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 83 |
| 10:18:07.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:08.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 73 |
| 10:18:08.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:09.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 52 |
| 10:18:09.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 32 |
| 10:18:09.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 83 |
| 10:18:10.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 114 |
| 10:18:10.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:10.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 55 |
| 10:18:11.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:11.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 51 |
| 10:18:11.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 46 |
| 10:18:12.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 96 |
| 10:18:12.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:13.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 123 |
| 10:18:13.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 105 |
| 10:18:13.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:14.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 76 |
| 10:18:14.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 47 |
| 10:18:14.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 122 |
| 10:18:15.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:15.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 34 |
| 10:18:15.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:17.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 83 |
| 10:18:17.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:17.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 68 |
| 10:18:18.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 53 |
| 10:18:18.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 121 |
| 10:18:18.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:19.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 39 |
| 10:18:19.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:21.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 100 |
| 10:18:21.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:21.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 96 |
| 10:18:22.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 92 |
| 10:18:22.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:22.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 24 |
| 10:18:23.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:24.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 98 |
| 10:18:24.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 7 |
| 10:18:25.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 104 |
| 10:18:25.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 111 |
| 10:18:25.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:26.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 69 |
| 10:18:26.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 26 |
| 10:18:26.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 94 |
| 10:18:27.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 120 |
| 10:18:27.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:27.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 78 |
| 10:18:28.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 36 |
| 10:18:28.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 114 |
| 10:18:28.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:29.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 6 |
| 10:18:29.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:30.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 60 |
| 10:18:30.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:30.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 24 |
| 10:18:31.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:31.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 11 |
| 10:18:31.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:32.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 10 |
| 10:18:32.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 8 |
| 10:18:32.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 17 |
| 10:18:33.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 25 |
| 10:18:33.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 42 |
| 10:18:33.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 66 |
| 10:18:34.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 107 |
| 10:18:34.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:34.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 23 |
| 10:18:35.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:36.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 120 |
| 10:18:36.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 21 |
| 10:18:36.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:37.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 45 |
| 10:18:37.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:39.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 66 |
| 10:18:39.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:40.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 8 |
| 10:18:40.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:41.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 119 |
| 10:18:41.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 25 |
| 10:18:42.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:42.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 55 |
| 10:18:43.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:43.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 22 |
| 10:18:43.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:44.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 11 |
| 10:18:44.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:44.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 10 |
| 10:18:45.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 9 |
| 10:18:45.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 18 |
| 10:18:45.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 26 |
| 10:18:46.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 44 |
| 10:18:46.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 69 |
| 10:18:46.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 112 |
| 10:18:47.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:47.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 37 |
| 10:18:47.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:49.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 51 |
| 10:18:50.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:51.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 41 |
| 10:18:51.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:52.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 104 |
| 10:18:53.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:53.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 93 |
| 10:18:53.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 82 |
| 10:18:54.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:55.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 92 |
| 10:18:55.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 9 |
| 10:18:56.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 100 |
| 10:18:56.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 109 |
| 10:18:56.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:57.217 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 61 |
| 10:18:57.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 13 |
| 10:18:57.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 74 |
| 10:18:58.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 87 |
| 10:18:58.551 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:18:59.884 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 36 |
| 10:19:00.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 0 |
| 10:19:01.218 | From Elektron Digitakt II | Control | 1 | Sound Variation | 86 |
Observations:
That repetition of zero looks very non-random. I wonder if any elektron coder has looked at this recently ?
EDIT: Or if there’s a reason for it being that way ?
It was once not truly random, I am sure now it’s algorithmically random enough to be viewed as such … I mainly use random and I’ve checked it since calling it out way back …
Note op may not reflect it was eventually rectified
