Digitone 2 vs Syntakt

Yes, it is somewhat funny to want to put the whole ST into a pedal, since the FX Drive is like a pedal:

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ST, no pedal.

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Cool if that’s how it is for you. I‘ve never liked sample based synthesis. So for me, starting from a sample that you sculpt always sounds a lot more limiting than with a synth engine, but not in a good way. ST machines are the perfect middleground, giving you tools and options but also clear boundaries. Where I agree is that DT II probably pushes you into just making music instead of just making sounds, which is why I like ST. But when it comes to melodic synthing, DT just feels like I‘m struggling with what could be so easy on ST.

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That’s where the Digitone 2 would come into play lol.

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Well, I have all three digis, but my workflow and mindset with each is quite different. If I‘d have to decide for only two, I‘d most likely go for DT II and ST at the moment. Only one I‘d probably go DN II.

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The DN 2 is the be all end all for me. Sytakt was nice but I can get analog drums from a few machines I have laying around…the DN 2 just does it all for me.

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ST is a superior device than DN (either OG or the 2).

several reasons, but the most obvious is the FX track, that offers another dimension that DN just doesn’t have. is on another league (A4-AR-OT league of effects sequencing and what not)

it also has a wider palette of sounds because of the analog components… and that analog cymbals track that is :cook: :kissing_smiling_eyes: :ok_hand:

some might tell themselves that the virtual VCO sound the same as the real analog ones… and sure, a saw wave is a saw wave but…

… saw wave going trought an analog filter with drive hitting another analog filter later with more drive on top on the FX track is just on another level (if you have heard a filterbank or hit a guitar amp after an TS/OD you know what I’m talking about). That possibility of ‘neighboring’ sounds using the fx track is again, another level of device.

it’s just a more open, flexible and colorful device.

and also cheaper.

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What do you mean by this?

Yeah I’m probably just gonna keep the Syntakt. For one, have had it since launch and have a fun little bag that came with it :slight_smile:

But also every time I think it’s going on the chopping block I play with it again and decide not to sell it lol.

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Do you mean that to enhance the Drive effect for a track, you need to apply a high-resonance filter to that track?

Do you know whether any of the Elektron team have confirmed that? It would require insider knowledge to confirm, as there may or may not be vast differences in the OS between the Syntakt and the Digitone 2, which could impact on how these machines use the available processing power. My guess is, that its just speculation, and hence lacking in any real predictive power for future updates.

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now to compare to ST, one has to open up both devices and look what’s inside. Might be in another thread.

I’d wager that ST still has the “old” digital stuff inside. To be replaced by ST2 in due course

analog oscillators and filters will not appear in DN2, so DN2 will not be able to replace Syntakt with any updates, but syntakt, on the contrary, with new digital machines can come closer to DN2

Possible, but even DT1 has a master compressor…

yes, but it’s a digital comp. AFAIK the Syntakt analogue voices have a 100% analogue output path, inserting a digital compressor would result in an extra A/D-D/A conversion

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Amen!

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That’s right. As an analog drive, it depends on having a sufficient level for clipping. It’s apparently calibrated with the goal of dirtying up full drum arrangements. The resonant filter significantly boosts one frequency of a single track, which saturates the drive circuit… you’ll know it when you hear it!

When that’s exactly not the sound you’re after, maxing out the track level into the FX block (then turning down FX in the mix), or doubling/layering a track into the block will also enhance the overdrive.

(The left side of the FX block drive parameter also saturates and compresses the signal, even if it’s not a full-blown compressor.)

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Interesting, wasn’t aware of that.

One of the reasons I’m always harping about a master compressor (aside from the ST being largely a percussion machine) is to balance the output of patterns with a single control. If they added a master volume in the mixer section to control overall pattern volume I’d be happy enough I suppose, but a compressor would be ideal…

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Do we know when it will be?