Dealing with multiple brains/sequencers

For those who have a few different main brains they like to use and have a single midi routed setup (as opposed to separate battle stations), how do you have it setup. What are some of the issues?

my own setup planning

We might be moving in the next 6-12 months so I’m basically doing a last hurrah of my gear in the current setup. I’ve just added a new set of shelves that holds a lot more gear than before, so I need to do some recabling as stuff has moved around.

I have Maschine, QY700, Blackbox and a Digitone that I want to use for sequencing. I want to swap these out when I want a different flavour, and I’m not really planning on having then run sequences concurrently. I’m assuming if everything else is set to receive clock and transport, that as long as these are set to send it should all just work once I patch in the sequencer. I have a digital piano and a Roland Gaia and a Novation Circuit that will act as controllers, ideally in most cases routed via the sequencing device to synths.

Otherwise I have a patchbay, a Motu midi patchbay, and for mixer I’ve got a Samson SM10, which sort of just has enough ins and outs for everything.

For capturing audio I will mostly grab a track at a time on the Blackbox, but will also have the option to route up to 10 channels into a DAW easily enough.

Sound sources include Drumbrute, Digitone, digital piano, Toraiz AS1, Waldorf STVC, Juno 106, Vermona Perfourmer.

The drumbrute I don’t love but I will probably just use it as metronome as much as anything.

Anyway, grateful for any tips. But preferably tell me about your setups so I can pinch your cool ideas and learn from your wisdom.

Using multiple sequencers can make your workflow convoluted. I highly recommend using one brain ( the one you feel works best for you) and leaving it at that.

If you want a different flavor you can send midi to your sequencer brain and record record the data into it.

I tend to never control my Elektron gear with external sequencers. Mainly because of two reasons:

1: on Elektrons the sounds used are saved with the sequence. So I’m always sure my ideas will be there exactly as I left it.

2: the Elektron sequencers are still more powerful than most other internal sequencers found on gear. Unless you have a Cirklon or Hapax/Pyramid, Elektron is the way to go for control.

I’m generally inclined to agree with the single brain appeal, specifically an elektron brain. I don’t really use cv gear but that’s the only place where I might deviate. If a hybrid workflow were desired or necessary, and you happened to have a korg sq64 or a keystep pro, there might be an advantage to using one of them as part of a smaller hybrid setup.

I didn’t really read over your specific plans so I’m just speaking in the abstract, and owning a keystep pro myself I don’t think the sequencer (except the drum track which is genius) can really hold a candle to the power of an elektron sequencer, but if you needed to control midi and cv in a smaller setup that might be a valid option.

Of course, this is specifically controllers we’re talking about, most elektron gear has other functionality attached so it’s hard to extract those tools from the setup if you intend to use them as both sequencer and instrument.

I have three sequencers. (5 if you count Xoxbox and SH101 , shit 6 if you count Sub37)

Octatrack (master clock,sampling duties, midi sequencer for analogue synths and eurorack)
Digitone (sequences itself, clocked by OT)
TR8-S (sequences itself, clocked by OT.
Bunch of synths.

Everything has its own audio channel on mixer.
OT sends midi clock and pattern change to everything else, using a midi splitter.

Simple.

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Yeah, it’s definitely different flavours I’m looking for, not having them all running at once. Basically which sequencer screen can I stomach looking at today….

I’m actually pretty likely to use the Circuit sequence recorded into either QY700 or Blackbox, as I’ve done that in the past. Circuit is quick to start and then into a box where it’s easier to expand on.

I will probably use Digitone a fair bit for this, although I think 4 midi tracks is a bit limiting I don’t really need more than that going on at once.

Anyway, I reckon as long as all my sound sources are setup to receive notes/clock, I just need to swap which sequencer I have plugged into the midi patchbay and I’ll be right.

i LOVE multi-brain setups because what one sequencer can’t do is possible with the other.
this is actually my secret weapon.
since RetroKits made RK-006, routing is not that complex as it used to be because RK-006 even supports USB hubs.

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Also love having different sequencers - I’ll play / compose a wider variety of material because of the idosynchrasies and interface differences. I love jamming on hardware sequencers but I much prefer doing the final arrangement work in a DAW with mouse and keyboard.

So I have a hybrid, multi brain setup with the following relevant gear:

Brain 1: PC running Ableton & Cubase
Audio: A&H SQ5 mixer/interface
Midi: iConnectivity MioXL via ethernet/rtpMidi

Brain 2: Akai Force (master clock)
Audio: UMC1820 interface
Midi: iConnectivity MioXL via USB-DAW socket on the front - this works great btw!

Brain 3: iPad running Drambo
Audio & Midi: UMC404HD

Other sequencers include:
Zaquencer, MB-2S, SE-02, TR-8S, LXR (OG)

Other Midi input devices: MPK249, VMK188, Microfreak, LPP mk2, BCR2000, X-touch Mini x2

Routing:

All Midi devices are connected to the MioXL, except for the X-touch Minis - these are directly connected to the Force and iPad for extra local control so if I go mobile, I can plug them in and they will just work as they did in the studio; i.e. don’t have to take MioXL or remap those controls.

This setup allows Midi from pretty much anywhere to go anywhere including for the following scenarios:

  1. Jam and rough out sequences and arrangements on the Force, whilst recording what I do live as Midi in linear multitrack fashion into DAW, usually alongside multitrack or stereo audio too. I do this because I much prefer the mouse and keyboard / DAW for editing of entire arrangements vs doing this on the Force.
  2. Sequence hardware from DAW
  3. Sequence VSTs from hardware (Zaquencer into Arturia Moog Modular is a favourite)
  4. Play any Midi input device into any brain
  5. Play any Midi input device directly into any hardware if I don’t wish to record to a brain just by changing preset on the MioXL.
  6. Play Midi from any sequencer to another sequencer - this is great for jamming on the Zaquencer, and recording the resulting output to Force or DAW as Midi for further manipulation.

Overall, my aim was to have quick and stress-free Midi routing with no patching, which I have largely achieved! I wanted to be able to play pretty much any device from anywhere, and record Midi to any capable devices I choose (alongside the audio multitracking). There are a few niggles:

  1. For some reason, my rtpMidi connections sometimes drop out - on the Microfreak in particular. Not figured out why yet.
  2. iPad / Drambo clock slave mode is a bit janky on my system - I need to press play on the master clock (usually Force), but then press play again once it’s playing to resync Drambo to Force, since it takes a few seconds to figure out the bpm, and that throws it off.
  3. I have a slightly awkward setup with a BCR2000 remote controlling an Ambika, and there needs to be 2 channels setup in the Force and DAW to route the CC info coming from the BCR2000 to the channel where the note data is, in a way that I can record it all on one track.

There are a few others, but overall these are minor niggles - I am suprised by how well the whole thing works tbh!

Pitfalls to avoid / tips:

I put a lot of time and thinking into it, here are some tips/pitfalls I would make note of:

  1. Understand the capabilities of all your devices in terms of Midi options, for merge, thru, receive and transmit filtering, and what they can reliably respond to and output, how they handle program change messages etc - and especially if you will be daisy-chaining Midi devices!
  2. Be alert for Midi loops! It’s all too easy to make a loop with such a complex setup
  3. Understand the clocking capabilities of your gear and what works / works best as master - unfortunately for me, the Force does not work well as a Midi clock slave, furthermore Cubase doesn’t respond to Midi clock, only MTC, so I cannot use the Force with Cubase and have a synced session unless I choose to use MTC. That doesn’t fit my current workflow with the Force of jamming loops and sequences rather than having a linear arrangement that starts at time zero each time.
  4. Make a spreadsheet with your Midi connections and channel allocation if your setup is more than a handful of boxes - this really helped with my MioXL decisions, in terms of what would get it’s own port, what would use 5-pin DIN vs USB-Midi, and what would be daisychained (too much gear!). Then plan your Midi channels accordingly. This is really important if you’ve got a lot of gear, and want to be able to play as much of it as possible from say a master keyboard simply by switching midi channel.
  5. Make midi channel labels for each piece of hardware so you know what’s what without needing to menu dive or look at the spreadsheet.
  6. If you get a MioXL, know that your DAW-USB ports only make Midi DIN 1-8 available - NOT 9-12, and only USB Host 1-7 or possibly 8, not 9-10! That made me waste a fair bit of time planning assuming I could access those from my DAW, and instead I needed to do a bit more daisychaining, and rechannelization (that’s now a word if it wasn’t before).

Long post - thanks for reading - hope its helpful for someone! Feel free to ask if you have questions.

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I have several Sequencers.

5 Elektrons that use their own.
meloDICER and NDLR connected to a Midihub.
Midihub Out to DT In.
DT (Master) is sequencing all my other Synths (those Synths can benefit from 3 different Sequencers).
Everything is connected via 5-pin MIDI cables and a MIDI Thru box.

I found out that using multiple sequencers can be creative and fun, because they excel at different things, but managing them can be challenging, especially when changing patterns / patches / sequences.

In my current setup I use Digitakt as master sequencer (90%+), MC-707 for it’s better polyphony and play modes (so usually pads and arpeggios or leads) and Monologue’s own sequencer for step on/off and slides control (mostly acid/303).

I also tried using DT+DN but keep pushing buttons on wrong device, because they are so similar. I guess my brain prefers different machines, dedicated to different tasks.

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Other than sync, I typically let each Elektron be its own device, sequencer and all. This gives me a lot of opportunity to mix and match sequences from each machine more organically, and even sometimes treat them like “decks”, each with their own music to mix with the other boxes.

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