Yeah this was definitely a breakthrough when I sussed this out. Ensure you are ALWAYS in ‘workscene’ and just save off the mute/pattern states as you go… by the end of the session the song page should be populated with a number of variations
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Yeah, in retrospect this is how I should have (and probably should still) do things. I’m just too lazy to learn and remember the Bank formats for all my gear.
This where gear like the proteus 2000 scores and why I print out charts for synths with loads of banks like the JV-2080. Some synths don’t use both LSB and MSB for bank select so once you define that in the instrument def, it’s usually just a matter of looking at the synth and using the TVs until they select the bank/patch you need. Then save the scene or song.
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I incidentally ended up here after backing up everything and starting from my current instrument set up. This is super validating. Appreciate this tip.
Now to figure out my patch to song system.
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Hey all.
(I hope you’re all doing well. A bit of an update.)
I’m doing this now but some of my synths are defaulting to patches that were not saved in the track value.
Is there likely any small oversight I’m unaware of?
I’ve reset midi and “cleaned up” the song. Still isn’t consistent and I’ve checked to ensure the hardware is set to receive program and parameter CC; sending is set to off.
It sounds like you’ve done the kind of things I’d check too. Would have expected something like hidden track values or a possibly unused track that’s captured values sent inadvertantly - perhaps from a differnt port. But I think you’ve ruled those out already.
Program changes could also be in a pattern - but probably the best way to be sure all is truly working well is to start from a new song and see if it happens there. Try adding one or two TVs just as test and see if all remains well. If not, then hidden track values becomes favourite again. BTW they can happen if you change the track’s instrument but there are TV’s already there. You do usually get a warning message though.
I hope you get to the bottom of it. Always frustrating this kind of thing. I’m afraid it’s not an issue I’ve been plagued with for at least a decade so it could be there’s some other thing I’ve forgotten. But in almost all cases I remember, I traced the problem to my habit of using multiple tracks for the same instrument and mixing TVs on each. I still do that - but never for program/bank changes.
Good luck
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Thank you, boss. I’ll be taking your advice with the manual as a companion with a fresh song.
Will report back.
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Good luck. I sometimes find the manual process for saving things like Tempo and TVs unnecessarily faffy and has certainly tripped me up before today.
Maybe my insert won’t help, cause i’m not sure to have understood exactly what’s your problem, but did you checked if the pgm track value was registred in scene level ? Sometimes, if you alreday saved a prog in scene level, when changing the pgm parameter, the synth will get back to the one previously recorded in scene untill pgm is recorded in scene. The thing can be seen when changing pgm in track value screen you have [scene] or [edit] above the pgm.
Sorry if i misunderstood your problem
Edit : to save the TV permanently you must save at the scene level too. The save at track value stage is not enough (except if scene auto-save is active)