I honestly got a bit disappointed discovering that the crunch and lo-fi sound of the Cycles machines had been “refined” in the Syntakt. I have some really nice patterns that just sounds Meh on the Syntakt. Bought the ST for the added functionality.
I’m still praying for the day the Syntakt gets some kind of poly-track link functionality. Because DVCO or SY Bits or SY Toy x3 would be dub heaven through those digital and analog fx/filters…
M8 have a lot of capabilities with just 8 tracks. Not analog but it is cheaper, more portable, can sample, re-sample and render stems. I honestly don’t care about analog that much since digital can replicate that sound pretty close these days.
If they would have keep the grit of the Cycles machines in the Syntakt. the analog wouldn’t add much to the digital machines in my opinion. The Cycles grit sounds better than running the machines through the analog drive/filters.
It´s a yes because you are putting value into the analog part and they use that to validate the x4 price jump from Cycles. Track count doesn’t matter that much with trackers like M8 or elektrons.
I did. But all the sounds in the first vid are done with a machine that the Model Cycles desn’t even have, and doesn’t even require distortion to sound huge. But being able to change volume and overdrive independently, and being able to decide what goes into the analog distortion opens worlds.
Treating Syntakt as M:C probably only leads to grief.
You mean the Digi standard another LFO, a proper envelope per track + 2 more tracks and some more digital machines that Ess probably created during Cycles development?
++ your arrogant “Didn’t think so…” but anyways…
From my perspective, owning Cycles first, it felt like they added the analog to motivate the Digi price point + extra 200 euro when the only thing I was after were real envelopes + another LFO.
Then again, different tastes and opinions of what matters to us. That’s why we are here, right?
What can sound gritty to some, can sound trash to others.
In regards to the track count it is probably based of the capacity of the CPU that they use in all Digi hardwares, not generosity on their side. I therefore don’t see it as added value when it comes to two more digital tracks at the higher price point. Specially not in a tracker machine like the Elektrons.
Don´t get me wrong, I love the Digi machines. Specially the Digitone. Loving the Syntakt as well even though they changed things.
So I don’t know what ”grit” means for others, usually something else for any person in a thread. If it’s some kind of “punch” (another one of those words) … well, most machines have a parameter for pitch envelope. so it’s possible to set octave lower and make one’s own hard hitting pitch envelope with one of the LFOs and still have one left. And so on ….
With grit, I mean the quality of the original, un-pitched, sound source. Punch is related to dynamic compression. A lower bit, sample rate, noise or feedback can create “grit” or “crunch” depending on taste. But I guess you already know this.
Closest would be SY DUAL VCO + another SY DUAL VCO to add the third voice with the balance turned to only hear 1 OSC and track volume turned down a bit to balande the first SY DUAL.
I don´t care what it should cost since it is the added value to me, that defines what I think it is worth.
I rarely pay full price for elektron machines. I buy them seond-hand in mint condition. Digitone for £399 + lid seemed reasonable. Same could be said for a Syntakt without the analog part.
You buy them at full retail price and I at second-hand prices. Perfect. Everyone is happy. Lets get back to the topic since we are way off.
Depends if you want it to sound good and/or be useful. It really doesn’t take that many harmonics to make aliasing a huge issue with wavetable oscillators that aren’t oversampled or anti-aliased (both would be costly in terms of processing power)