Cheaper Drum Alternative to Machinedrum (which I own)

Sounds like the LXR-02 is a perfect candidate to be best friends with the recently announced MIDI Goblin.

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Good idea. If I understand the concept of the MIDI Goblin correctly, all it does is record MIDI CC and NPRN, and keep the latest value for each parameter in memory (and you can define which of those make up a patch, so it will probably ignore some). You can then decide to save that as a sound.

Now, AFAIK the LXR-02 does not allow for sending out a snapshot of a sound via MIDI, so the only way for that to work is move the value of each parameter one step and back. Probably a little better than manually copying the sound.

I remember vaguely that some devices can send a snapshots of their parameters, but that is very uncommon, because the use case for recalling a specific sound is typically solved by the ability to save patches and receive a program change message, and transfer of patches between devices is solved by sysex messages.

For devices that are not capable of sending snapshots, the MIDI Goblin would only work reliably under one the following conditions:

  • you change every single parameter so the Goblin can record it
  • the Goblin has an initial patch, and you initialise your synth with that before before tweaking it
  • you start from a patch stored in the MIDI Goblin

I can see how that would often go wrong in practice. Also: do you need a goblin for each device, or do they assume the existence of a MRCC to patch all that?

One more thing: it all rests on the premise that every single parameter relevant for the sound is sent via CC or NRPN. That is also not a common feature, there is always some toggle that is not mapped.

That being said, it’s so cheap I might order one to support that brave endeavour. :wink:

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Totally understood, specificity helpful since there are some places like MusicStore that had the DR-2 at ~$1500 and MDs can go for more than $1500 depending on config :smiley:

LXR-02 is no slouch, of course.

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Solution for me is extra DT2 tracks (or could be DT1 or DN) controlling one ND sound per midi channel, CC’s parameter-locked and LFO’d as needed. My ND3 has been converted to a module, so takes up minimal desk space.

I have done that—what I found personally is that the parameter set was not conducive to the kind of modulation I wanted to do.

It may work for others, but for me it wasn’t much fun to sequence.

yeah it sounds incredible, and not just drums.

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After a week of playing the MDM again, I decided it’s TOO GREAT to sell, actually mesmerizing, and there is nothing to gain by selling it. So I will keep it. It’s different enough (from an Elektron time gone by) that adding a RYTM MK2 again or SYNTAKT someday would be incredible. Thanks To All for your feedback and thoughts.

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I agree with keeping the Machinedrum, its great.

why not get the new Digitakt II instead?

Sampled drums and synthesized drums are fundamentally different, a DT will not allow for the kind of real-time modulation of sounds a Syntakt or an LXR-02 can provide. Besides, I do own a DT 1, and I see no reason at all to spend € 650 on the upgrade, especially because I don’t use the Elektron sequencer that much.

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DRM1 could replace a Machinedrum imo. I will die on this hill.

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It can definitely replace a Machinedrum if you have no use for storing patches, for recording parameter changes, for effects, and for sequencing :wink:

That being said, these days you can find a used DRM-1 MK3 in classifieds for €400-450, so if you’re just looking for some hands-on analog drums to expand your setup, it is hard to beat in terms of bang for the buck.

Maybe if we go down that route, there is also the Division Department 01/IV, a little more expensive (~600 used), only 4 voices, but a huge variety of sounds, and at least some realtime-control via MIDI. They have some very convincing demos on soundcloud. Used to be rather rare for a while, but now some can be found on Reverb and in classifieds.

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Not ranking either or (I own both) but:

  • 7 parameters per sound (sometimes less if you have preferred settings) lessens the need for presets
  • You can sample tweaked sounds and fake the p-locking, and live-tweaking has an organic feel MD can’t replicate
  • Effects I can’t help you there but otoh it has 8 individual outs so you can add pedals or apply FX in a DAW

To me it is the spirit of MD - a variety of weird 2000’s era drums - stripped down to the bare essentials and giving you direct control and everything you need to expand it.

Of course it sounds totally different but my point is it can serve the same purpose paired with something like a Digitakt.

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Always wanted to check out DRM-1 … yeah, it is pretty affordable from prices I see…

how about Perkons?

I also want to tell you that while it has very limited midi support, the velocity support is strong. The sounds are quite dynamic. Like velocity does more than just change the volume.

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Did Vermona reply to you about the issue/behavior you described? I’m interested to get one in the near future.

Not yet… i think they were getting ready for superbooth. I found other people who posted about it. 14 years ago!

I’m going to just accept it until somebody suggests how to fix the hardware.

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I don’t know nearly enough about the MD (or DT) to pitch this combo as an MD alternative, but I’m very excited to combine a DT2 and a TR-6S, and I’m expecting at least part of the experience of using these together to have MD-lite vibes.

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Thanks for the info.