Cheap FX for fattening kick drum

Not sure if it’s a self-oscillating filter or distortion or what, but it’s the typical sound you hear that follows a kick drum in almost all Sherman Filterbank demos:

Are there any cheap effects or pedals that do this?

I reckon other gear would work (Schippmann Ebbe und Flut, Iotine Core, Analog Heat, Jomox resonators, various modular units) but it’s all more than I’d like to spend for a single trick. Thanks.

The AnalogRytm’s Drive.

edt. Thought this was an AR thread.

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Not cheap at all lol.

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I recall achieving a similar effect by overdriving a cheap walkman once but I don’t have it anymore. I also don’t think it ‘followed’ quite like the FB does…

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Analog drive ? £90 though that was heavy discount on thomann a while ago.

I had a Sherman , was complicated so I sold it

If you have an OT that’s how I fatten up my kick drums / EQ / Filter DIStortion / Lo-fi DIStortion / gain :slight_smile:

There are definitely not any cheap pedals that do what a Sherman does because the filterbank has masses of tweakable parameters.

Overall though the character of the Sherman is (a bit) like tube distortion. There are a few pedals that do that kind of thing which you could try (the Radial Tonebone comes to mind, or maybe the Way Huge Swollen Pickle). I love the names :raised_hands:t3:

I tried this on Bass guitar and it cuts the low end too much. Would work ok in parallel though.

Take a look at the Aira Torcido. Discontinued but was heavily discounted during its lifespan, could probably be found quite cheap second hand now. Digital but stereo, has a tube emulation, tone control, bass boost, dry/wet mix. Totally reprogrammable to do all sorts of things. Eurorack compatible or standalone. You might be surprised by how good it sounds (though you might not get that exact Filterbank effect).

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Actually, what about a bucket brigade delay.
Look for a used MXR Carbon Copy.

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Yeah I was thinking about a delay too.
The effect in the video almost has a Karplus-Strong sound to it.

I dunno how the Sherman filterbank does it without any kind of delay but hah, this box is something magical anyways.

I would recommend an old analog mixer (Boss Bx8+) is classic for this. Driving cassette tape is also classic.

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Sounds like two source ducking.
The right mixer can give a similar effect when red lining really hard. Let the mixer distort (or set up an aux out to channel in feedback loop, or use a synth) and have your kick hit the front end of the mixer hard enough to use up all of the mixer’s headroom so that it briefly overtakes the other signal.
Another classic way is to use a compressor with sidechaining (if you have one of those laying around). Pretty much doing a more controllable version of the same thing.
I don’t think that’s what the Sherman is doing but you can get more or less the same effect this way. You just need to use two audio sources and a little time to dial it all in.

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The Sherman has two envelopes. It’s set to pretty slow towards the start of the vid. This is most-likely why you hear some attack on the effected signal - a bit like a delay. You can use the filter lfo this way too. You can also offset each filter or set both to open and close at high rates for carplus strong business.

The Swollen Pickle doesn’t have a mix/blend pot (?) so yeah it’ll need to be on a send.

Proco Rat has a knob. It can’t sound as thick or as driven as the Sherman but it’s a lot of dirt. The latter ‘turbo’ versions keep more low end.

Analog delays are a good idea. Also running through guitar amp spring reverb headers or other shit you have lying around :smiley:

Check out bass guitar distortion pedals, good ones have a blend knob to mix the distorted signal with the dry so you get the crunchy mids of the distortion but keep the low end goodness intact.

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Can confirm that the Torcido will get you very close.

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Not cheap but I’ve got nice results running kicks through an Empress Multidrive. It has three-way switches low, mid, high on all three fx fuzz, overdrive and distortion, then a post fx tone control.

A list of fx on the TC Electronic Fireworx rack unit.

Effects
• Expander/Gate
• Soft Compressor
• Hard Compressor/Limiter
• Resonance Filter · Bandpass Filter
• Phaser · Resonator · Resochord Filter
• Formant Filter
• Drive Distortion
• Cruncher Distortion
• Vocoder
• Ring Modulator
• Curve Generator Synth
• Chaos Generator Synth
• Noise Generator Synth
• Single Voice Pitch shift
• Dual Voice Pitch shift
• Classic Chorus
• Advanced Chorus
• Classic Flanger
• Advanced Flanger
• Stereo Delay
• Dual mono Delay
• Dual Three Tap Delay
• One Tap Delay
• Six Tap Delay
• Reverse Delay
• Reverb
• Advanced Reverb
• Simple Tremolo
• Advanced Tremolo
• Simple Panner
• Surround Panner
• Stereo Enhancer
• 5 band Parametric EQ
• 4 band modifiable parametric EQ
• Feedback Send
• Feedback Return
• Insert Send
• Insert Return

An old machine but totally capable of beautiful or brutal and weird fx.

I have 3. I’ve tried many times to sell 2 of them but there was never even a sniff of interest. So I just thought I’d let people know (again) that this is a great machine for the money. Not cheap cheap though: approx £350 for good condition unit.

More info:

Routing Blocks

Setting up effects-algorithm blocks in the FireworX Routing matrix is extremely easy. With a double click on the effect block panel buttons, you insert the effect type chosen with the Value wheel. You can change the order of the effects, repeat certain blocks, add feedback loops and even insert an external device. Choosing an effect block and pushing Enter will bring up the Sub Routing I/O page of the chosen block. You can decide on where the chosen effect will get its fuel from and where to route the power. This way you have exactly the same flexibility in connecting the effects as if you had a couple of external effects-machines and a patch-bay.

The number of processing blocks in a Routing setup is only limited by the DSP-power consumption. It is possible to monitor the percentage of each block, which is convenient when constructing complex routings.

Modifier Matrix

Looking for versatility and unlimited possibilities? The Modifier section of the FireworX is the key to versatility. Only your imagination is the limit here. Think of any possible way to combine modifiers and effect parameters, and make it happen. Creativity brought to work - all made possible by the FireworX.

Available in the Modifier Matrix page, is the constant set of internal and external parameter modifiers. 8 external control inputs (e.g. assigned to MIDI), and 8 internal modifiers like e.g. ADSR’s, LFO’s, Envelopes + more. These modifiers can be assigned to control any parameter appearing on a list at the right of the display. This list is unique for the current effects-combination at the Routing and Edit pages.

Like in a patchbay, simply connect virtual wires from the desired modifier to the parameter that dynamically should be adjusted.

An example of an internal modifier is Freeform. Actually this is a tiny sequencer that allows you to create a more “rhythmic” sequence than e.g. an ADSR. This is very useful if you want a Phaser or a Tremolo to act as a percussive sidekick to a breakbeat.