Bread and butter synth for fat/moog-type bass and overall vibe

Hey y’all,

I’m somewhat of a beginner to hardware synths but I am having a lot of fun so far.

Been considering getting a semi-modular synth to add to my setup—something somewhat in the deep and fat bass vibe (I reeaaally love the juicy bass character of classic moog)

Been looking at Moog mother 32 & grandmother, as well as behringer neutron, model D and crave, and finally the Roland SE-02.

Anybody have any thoughts comparing these and the pros and cons? Are there any other synths that could fit the bill

Looking to spend 700 tops, although could be convinced to seek out an $800 used grandmother if convinced.

My setup consists of a digitakt, a volca drum, and a Korg minilogue. Any good suggestions to best fill a gap to fulfill my Moogey/ juicy bass desires?

AS-1 is still the best IMO.

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Dreadbox Erebus or maybe Nyx would be worth checking out too.
I love the Typhon but it’s not semi modular so wouldn’t fit your needs, but I believe the others are very similar on the analogue side.

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I have the Grandmother for that exact sound. Its well worth $800 if you can find one at that price.

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Ahh sorry missed the semi-modular part.

Yeah Dreadbox offerings, Mother 32, Model D, Bro One, K-2… tons of options.

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This one is fat as hell but not a lot of CV inputs. Great sequencer with a little bit of p-locking. Small knobs but even my large mitts didn’t have trouble with them.

Mother-32 is also a great synth. :slight_smile:

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Moog Minitaur. Don’t forget the three CV inputs configurable to modulte almost every parameters.

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If this is the case, you might only be truly satisfied with an actual Moog. Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of synths that can nail that sound pretty closely and some of them (Behringer’s knock-off, for one) are quite inexpensive.

Yet an emulation might not be as psychologically fulfilling - leaving you to second guess whether you might not have been better off with the real deal. For some people, there is a certain satisfaction in owning a Moog. It’s not right or wrong - this is art we’re talking about. Whatever inspires you is the right choice.*

If you can, make some side-by-side comparisons. If you can’t, you might ask yourself what you want from such an instrument. If it’s truly about the sound and not the name or logo, there are options such as those already named in this thread.

And even if you decide to go the Moog route, you have to consider what you want from it. You say you want the juicy Moog bass… that could mean many things and not every Moog might be right for your particular needs. The Moog sound is built on a few different elements and not every classic Moog bass patch used all of them. First, there is the oscillator(s) to consider. When I think of a “Moog bass”, I think of two or three slightly unstable oscillators beating against one another, along with that 24dB transistor-ladder filter. Now, a Mother 32 will only give you a single oscillator, but you will get that famous filter (plus lots of other nice features and a low price). It’s a powerful little machine and the filter provides the legendary squelchy character associated with Moog. It’s cheap enough that I’ve often considered adding one to my studio despite owning far more, um… “substantial” Moog synths.

The Grandmother is a terrific synth and of all the instruments suggested, it is the one that sounds the most “Moog” to my ears. It will give you up to three oscillators, that classic filter and a mixer section based on the Moog CP3 module - an often overlooked (but critical) part of the vintage Moog sound heard on so many historic recordings. It also has one of the best spring reverbs I’ve ever heard.

However, the Grandmother isn’t without its problems. Some early units had crappy power supply connections and there have been firmware issues (in my experience, Moog just isn’t that great at firmware). These were, as far as I know, resolved, but a secondhand unit might require some firmware updates to work properly. I pre-ordered mine and when it arrived, the knobs were all out-of-calibration and some couldn’t be calibrated at all. Moog issued a fix pretty quickly and it worked fine from that point onward. Still, you might want to check with the seller when buying a used instrument to be sure you know what you’ll be getting into.

Of all those listed, the Grandmother is the one I’d choose given the price range. It’s a seriously powerful instrument with lots of features. I did entire songs on mine when I had it. It sounded lovely. It’s fat, wooly, squelchy, and slightly unruly. If it’s vibe you want, this one has it in spades.

*and I may be the wrong person to give any sort of advice here, having exercised little restraint in these areas.

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If you have some type of midi to cv converter go with a dfam.
If not then the m32 is rad.
Support Moog!

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If its the Moog sound you want, get a Moog. No point messing round. Get one with more than one VCO.

The grandmother sounds ace. I have a Sub 37, while not the most moogiest of Moogs, but its a modulation monster, and has patch memories, a sequencer, 2 envelopes, 3 LFOs etc. I have had a few Moogs over the years, they are all brilliant.

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I have a sub37 as well and love it. But… 2 LFOs right? Or did I miss the hidden 3rd one? :blush:

A thing I love about that synth are the looping envelopes. Can be used as a sort of LFO. That would make 4 :wink:

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You did. Its in the manual, 3rd LFO, digital sine wave LFO. Its in the programming section hidden away.

Theres an additional white noise source their too, which can be used as a modulation source.

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Oh yes! I have a distant memory of that. I think :slight_smile:, from when I read the manual years ago. I forgot about it.

I’m using it mostly “live”, tweaking what I have under my hands, but that could be handy. Thanks!

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It’s not a 3rd LFO though - sine it’s just an additional shape to the existing 2 LFOs

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Yes, that’s what I just re-discovered in the manual.

Way off topic, sorry people! In short, sub37 is an amazing synth (for me), unfortunately not very portable.

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You’re right. I just checked the manual.
I pretty much just use the front panel controls.

My mistake.

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Erica Synths Bassline DB-01 seems a good fit with your set up.

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A curveball for your consideration …

A Waldorf Pulse +

Sounds HUGE - extends on the MMoog Formula

Reviewed highly, even favourably in comparison to the real one here (by one of our forum stalwarts as it happens)

Misses out on immediacy to a big extent, but the advantages need to be factored back in and it will be cheaper than most suggestions - not without foibles mind you, but it sounds awesome for bread and butter basses and then some
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/waldorf-pulse-plus

lots of nice bits inside

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It has been said already but i agree that when you want fat juicy moog sound the best way is to go with a moog synth.

Again, agree, if you want Moog get a Moog. Though a few people I trust say the Behringer clone is pretty damn close. Though I didn’t find the M32 to be the best at bass patches. I’d probably go with another Moog if you go that route.

The only other thing I’d suggest is a Circuit Monostation, but it doesn’t have a ton of modular/CV options.

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