Hello all,
I’m a bit lost with some posts related with Tonverk latency.
I’ve connected the audio output of the Digitone 2 to the input of the Tonverk to benefit from its FX.
I’d like to synchronize the two machines.
What’s the best way ?
Tonverk as master, I’d say. There’s a small latency of about 9ms on live audio into Tonverk. If you notice any at all that’s where it is occurring. If you’re sequencing DN on either device and you hear latency you can adjust it by ear with the micro timing on the sequencer.
Hello actually same combo as you ( dn2 audio out into tonverk ) and I’m using dn2 as master and no problems so far. I won’t be surprised tonverk as master works also. I just want to monitor this thread 
Same here, and no issues at all.
I was using TV as master before, also with no issues.
Thanks all for your replies.
So the latency is only for the audio input into Tonverk.
And no MIDI latency when Tonverk is master or DN2 is master.
I will go for Tonverk as master in order to use its keyboard and Step Edit mode to « control » the DN2.
Hopefully you’ll post your experience! I love to have the DT2 as master, but that just might change when I receive my TV…
I mesured 11.4 ms from TV out to TV in. Drums can be out of phase…
To avoid that latency I’d rather plug Tonverk outputs to Digitone 2 inputs ! Until a latency compensation solution…eventually Microtime All…around 2/384 microtiming at 120 bpm. 1/12 step.
Edit : I made further tests with midi sync a few posts below, latency totally depends on who’s master / slave and audio connections. Can be 2 ms.
Yeah it’s around that length a delay. Whether you notice it depends on the arrangement.
Correct!
I run DN2 into TV and have DN2 as master. Would rather not, but for perfect synch that’s the way, as the TV audio input latency is the same for audio and midi.
I should point out that my DN2 is essentially my drum machine, so tight synch is important, and it sequences itself.
Sure
So here is my experience with DN2 output into TV, and TV as master clock and MIDI out into DN2.
When I play on the TV keyboard, the sound from the DN2 comes instantly for me.
I can’t feel any latency from the touch on a key and the sound from the DN2.
I will have drums on the TV or on the DN2, but not on both simultaneously.
So for my case, it works great.
And it’s so much fun to be able to use the TV FX with the DN2.
And there’s also all the goodness of TV arp…
Just to be sure. High latency is mentioned when each machine is sequenced by its internal sequencer, right?
If I sequence Tonverk from DNII, I assume it would work fine, right? Like when I play Tonverk from a MIDI keyboard.
From my understanding, the latency is only related with the TV audio input.
If you don’t use the TV audio input (for FX processing), you won’t have any issue by using its internal sequencer synchronized with an external sequencer or another machine.
Not only. Depends if TV is master or slaved, and audio routing.
I recorded a DN2 squarish sine wave in TV, played same note on DN2 (left) and TV (right) with midi sync, and mesured timing difference by recording them.
DN2 master : TV is 9 ms late
TV master : TV is 3ms AHEAD !
So TV master is no brainer thru a mixer…if DN2 isn’t plugged into TV.
DN2 master : TV is 4 ms ahead !
TV master : TV is 15 ms ahead !
So with DN2 audio in TV, seems better to have DN2 master…
TV master: TV 2 ms ahead
DN2 master : TV 9.8 ms late
TV master, DN2 comparison between a note played in DN2 (left) and passed thru TV : 11.4 ms.
The latency between what comes in TV inputs and its ouputs seems to be constant, 11.4 ms
(Results may also depends on how fast DN2 and TV plays their notes, how I edited the square note, maybe truncated attack ?)
Recorded with Octatrack, here is TV master (DN2 left, TV right and ahead !)
I mesured 12.5 ms between DN2 and DN2 thru TV input, same note played from TV. I wouldn’t say instantly.
I wouldn’t get hung up on it if you can’t hear it.
Personally I’ve had way more egregious situations of latency into Ableton than anything with TV. One tap left on Microtiming and it’s sorted.
Remembering the early days when I was trying to use Roland Boutiques with Ableton still raises my blood pressure 
Hulk Smash!!
With separate outputs, seems better to have TV master : TV 3 ms ahead. (2ms with TV in DN2 inputs)
If DN2 is in TV inputs, DN2 master seems better, TV 4 ms ahead.
There must be a latency compensation with midi clock / transport. I don’t know what are conclusions.
Microtiming is boring to set. Waiting for Microtime All on TV.
Midi tracks notes apparently add latency :
TV master, sequencing DN2 : TV is 5 ms ahead.
TV master, DN2 sequencing TV : TV is 9 ms late.
(separate outputs)
I quit DAW sequencers almost 20 years ago ! Only use them for audio editing with grid…
I hope it goes down from those numbers someday. Right now, I’d feel more comfortable using the DN II’s sequencer to sequence the Tonverk. For several reasons, I find it more intuitive to use, even though the Tonverk has other improvements. We’ll have to wait and see, or accept that latency.
Really depends on how you plug your gear.
With DN2 master and into TV : TV ahead by 4ms
With TV master DN2 into TV : TV ahead by 15.6 ms
I don’t recommend it.
Basically, I wanted to put together a project using many patterns I have in DNII to experiment with Tonverk sounds. I suppose the best solution for what I want to do is record the MIDI in Tonverk and start building from there. I’m still getting used to the step edit in Tonverk. I’ll have to practice. Thanks!
