Yeah, these Behringer threads go off the rails with the same stuff so often that Draft Kings will start letting you bet the over/under soon!
I’d like to parlay that with how fast a TE thread gets defensive!
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no it actually samples too. check about 15 mins into the video above.
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Damn! They copied whole pages of the DT menus.
A Boctatrack for 600 bucks seems possible now.
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My favourite group.
That’s wild. But this is going to be so annoying to actually use given that there aren’t corresponding knobs to go with the parameters on the page. Also, only being able to tune or change the decay of certain pads is a really weird choice. I get that they’re carrying that bit over from the original, but between the features they added and the graphics they stole from Elektron it’s just…strange.
All that said, it sounds nice and the pattern and song system looks pretty cool. I hope one day they take some of these ideas and make their own sampler. I wouldn’t be surprised if this sells pretty well, but a machine with multiple outs and actual 12 bit DACs with capabilities more along the lines of a Digitakt or an MPC would go crazy.
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This little box seems cool for the price, especially since I like hardware drum machines. That said, I am going to stick with the AlyJames Linn plugin, because a new update is coming and it’s amazing.
Listen to the feel he can get out of a simple sequence with some of the tweaks he is making. I don’t hear that in the Behringer (or to be fair, not a lot of other drum machines either).
This concept could have been better expressed in the form of a volca with decent midi implementation.
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I had an original Linndrum, in the 90s and sold it 2006. Because yes it sounded good but you needed a mixer or audio interface input for each instrument out and it was a huge f*cking box and “only” had those sounds. Nice for some nostalgic beats but I am really happy using samples from the Linndrum in DT2 or Ableton or whatever and some good effects.
Only interesting part is what much of a difference those low bit audio converter make for sampling.
And of course for that price it seems like a great box. And you can probably make some good music with it. No doubt. Right now I believe this is nothing for me but who knows. I’d rather get the RD9 
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as the owner of a Cirklon, yes this would be quite fun. what’s the point of a built-in sequencer if it can’t at least do per-step parameter locking?
I was wondering earlier when I watched the video and he stressed “REAL 8-12 bit DACs… NOT fake software downsampling…” sorta thing. I’m not a hardware guy but if you can vary it between 8-12 bits, don’t you really have 12 bits and then to go between that and 8, aren’t you effectively “doing it in software” anyway? how is such a thing typically implemented, if not in software? because my guess would be this is no different than the Digitakt being at 16 bit and then cutting bit rate via software. only they’re starting with 12 and going down to 8. but again… I’m not a hardware guy. don’t know what a “8-12 bit” circuit would look like.
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Yeah they say variable DACs for 8 to 12 bit but yeah that not actually a thing from my understanding… it actually kind of muddles the waters because when stated like that it could 16bit DAC that the just play through at 8 to 12bit.
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They might be using two 8 bit DAC chips (such as the 0808 etc) and only using 4 bits of the second to get 12 bit resolution. Or maybe they’re using a 16 bit DAC but only using the most significant 12 bits of it. Maybe they’ve just used a 12 bit DAC (they’re readily available from various sources) and are only using the required number of bits for the file type as the digital files will be stored in 8 or 12 bit length and converted by the hardware DAC at that resolution. Even if the use a 16 bit DAC and only use 12 bits of it then it’s still a 12 bit hardware conversion. Either way It’ll be interesting to see which approach they’ve taken
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This doesn’t necessarily tell you how they achieve 12 bits, but it’s part of an answer.
It was when I asked how they achieve 8/12 bits, if it was just bitcrushing or if it’s actually 12 bit native.
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This was a big controversy with the Isla S2400 - sp1200 purists argued the isla’s method of “truncating” bits rather than sampling at 12 bit from the get go contributed to a less satisfying or authentic sound. Great box but that part does sound different. Really curious if this one nails the old sound, really hard to tell from the video I saw
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I was just gonna say… if what @Bunker described is correct (truncating bits) than why haven’t others taken the same approach?
either way, it does muddy the waters about the 1:1 nature/authenticity of the approach.
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TBH I wasn’t sure if 12 bits Dac chips were still a thing but it seems from a quick search that they are. If the LM won’t do 16 bit then that might be a pointer to it being a 12 bit DAC chip. However that doesn’t answer your question about what resolution the ADC (for sampling the source) uses… that’s an interesting point. 12 bit ADC chips are also readily available but have they used those too? I don’t think I’ll be pulling mine apart when it turns up but I’ve no doubt someone like Maffez will
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Roger Linn seems to think it all looks the same, but he didn’t specify about that part and it’s hard for me to say if that’s even apparent
could you tell if you saw the PCB? they were posted the other day and I can probably find them.
cloning a font and a few pixel circles and layouts is very different to cloning the functionality of an octatrack… its a little like implying i can clone the mario font and a few icons and suddenly i have an entire mario game.
but theyve done a reasonable job of cloning the old elektron interface, down to the sub. menus , waveform graphics … i guess moving the pattern name a few things seemed to be enough to make it ‘behringer’ …
i wont be buying one but if you do i hope it does everything people want in a 70’s brown style.
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I’d have thought Mr Linn would be able to identify what chip sets they’ve used but he may have been referring to the analogue side in his comments.
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