AR2 and DN issue

Hi guys !

I have received my DN, working great and sounds perfect, BUT, I just can’t find a way to make it work with my AR2. I’ve read a lot of topics in the forum, but none helped me.

What I want to do :
Use AR as master, DN as slave with my arturia keystep.

What I did :

DN settings :
Clock receive ON
Input from : midi + USB
Output to : midi + USB
AUTO channel : 14

AR settings :
Clock send ON
Input from : midi + USB
Output to : midi + USB
AUTO channel : 14

Wires :
AR midi out > DN midi in
Keystep midi out > AR midi in (read in the forum that we can send notes to DN through AR)

With this configuration, the 2 gears are synced, when I press play on the AR, the DN starts too, but I only hear sounds from AR… What am I missing ?

EDIT :
I just wanted to tell noobies like me that, by setting your stuff as nionmu said. I faced the problem that when I muted my pad number 1 on the AR, the DN was fully muted too, to avoid this, on the DN go in MIDI Config > PORT CONFIG and set RECEIVE CC/NRPN to OFF and it will do the trick :slight_smile:

the AR midi out is NOT passing through the midi signal from keystep to its midi out…

if you want to play the dn with keystep, setup could be:

AR midi out > keystep midi in > keystep midi out > DN midi in

the keystep has to be in midi merge mode (in software editor for keystep) so iit merges midi in from ar with its own midi

if you have that working, you can either use DN midi thru > AR midi in

or use DN midi out > AR midi in and set an internal DN midi track up for AR (then you can only play AR when you have selected the midi track with DN, but can also send midi cc and so on to AR)

also you should set different autochannels on the devices, so you can quickly choose on keystep, which one you play

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Thanks a lot for this detailed answer !

Sorry if it was nooby question but I’m new to hardware music playing so I didn’t use midi that much before…

Now let’s make walls collapse ! Thank you !

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Another routing suggestion:

Make DN the clock master and rytm the clock slave in MIDI SYNC settings. Then, connect the keystep MIDI OUT to DN MIDI IN. Next, connect DN MIDI OUT to rytm MIDI IN. Finally, connect the audio output from the DN into the rytm’s audio input.

This routing config doesn’t rely on the keystep MIDI merging at all, and personally I’d avoid any software-based MIDI mergers unless I absolutely had to resort to using them.

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Thank you for your alternative, could you explain me why you do not prefer to use midi merging ? And does this allow me to use the AR master comp, delay, reverb on both DN and AR sounds ?

@stutech the midi merging happens in the keystep, you just have to activate it with the software, for me it worked fine, used that setup for a while…

if you use the dn as a clock master, you win tempo per pattern, you loose song mode… you have to decide which you need more

audio wise: you can use the compressor for the dn signal, but not the fx, this is a fixed routing. but i run A4 into AR and really like it…

you could even route some of ar individual outs to dn…

to have an overview of a setups possibilities, it helps me to draw a schematic of the different boxes with the ins, outs an thrus and than connect the midi and audio with lines and arrows…

example:

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Oh yes, I forgot that using the rytm as clock/transport master enables the use of song mode also for the DN. That can indeed be handy.

And wrt MIDI merging, not saying it shouldn’t be used at all, just that I personally try to avoid it unless there is no other routing possible. Just my preference because technically speaking, MIDI merging cannot be done electrically as opposed to MIDI THRU, and always requires repackaging of MIDI events (the event order in MIDI is always a bit problematic due to the sequential nature of MIDI data and the relatively poor bandwidth of MIDI 1.0). In practice, this probably works ok, but for high baud rate MIDI activity (ie loads of notes on many channels, CCs and clock simultaneously) issues might manifest…

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@stutech @nionmu thank you very much for all the explainations and examples :slight_smile: