oh yeah, the DT time stretch is purely for fx purposes
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yeah, that sounds awesome. Delicious artifacts. We just need to pipe this into a Midiverb 2, and my nostalgia trip would be complete 
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Yes it’s a fixed grain size (around 40 ms) which causes that buzzing sound, no matter the sample’s pitch or the DT’s tempo (when not at default). The buzzing can muddy the perceived pitch.
In theory, the algo is similarish to the Tones stretch mode in Ableton Live, but is way more noisy/buzzy and, for a lot of material, it can sound ‘bad’. I’m not a fan of it but others seem to like it.
Your OT/DT2 comparison wavs are good examples of what I’d say are its weaknesses - maybe send them to Elektron support?
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oh man…
Now I have to do this in the Model:Samples for the sake of science…
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lol wtf
Guys Guys Guys. This whole conversation is kinda moot point. We have the extra LFO for the original Time Stretching Hack. (But seriously this is not what I was expecting when they added a time stretching machine)
I’m a little disappointed to hear that. I would have appreciated a super-clean timestretch, to lock unsynchronized loops and change the pitch of some notes inside the loop.
Has there been a clean hardware timestretch since the VP-9000?
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I wonder if a mono stretch version could be added - using the assumed cpu usage from a stereo stretch to make a mono stretch higher quality.
Model:Samples has entered the chat: DT2 vs OT vs M:S TIMESTRETCH COMPARISON
I took @wisdmm original material, and added M:S time stretch to the comparison.
I am not going to get clickbaity… but results might suprise you.
Like really: to me M:S timestretch sounds better than DT2’s.
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I agree with this. I was expecting a similar “vanilla” time-stretch for those +/-10 BPM scenarios and was a little disappointed with the gritty flavor.
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Very interesting, thanks for doing that! I can hear a like quarter note click in the MS algorithm. Not really pleasant, and doesn’t have as much of a gritty flavor that people seem to like in a time stretch. But honestly I think it would be more useable than the DT2 for my applications. Hence why I’m still using the werp machine for now lol.
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It was a cool experiment. Depending how you set the M:S the click you mention can be adjusted at 1/4, 1/8 or 1/16 for the 64 steps loops you made (the drum one is super, I’m stealing it…).
Okay, so that’s kind of similar to werp. Sounds quite a bit cleaner than it tho. Yeah feel free lol
Don’t forget Grid.
Lfo on Slice → Timestretch
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Or simply putting down linear locks on slices for each step in the pattern. Still the best sounding method for keeping rhythmic loops in time with the pattern when changing the tempo, for me at least.
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Clearly, at a faster tempo.
An lfo allows you to change tempo and create interesting rhythmical variations.
Grid allows you to increase chunks, 64 for 1 bar for instance.
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Can you P-Lock the sample in the grid/slice machine?
Slots ? Yes. Banks too.
I hope Slots as mod/lfo destination will be back for machines other than One Shot. And add Banks.
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My favorite time stretch (Elektrons) is retrig + velocity on Rytm, not so easy to use, but has a lot of control). Werp on DT sounds like playing large grains with out crossfade, Stretch on DT2 sounds close to it, but with crossfade on each grain. OT sounds different, more smooth stretch with non linear artifacts, something like spectral blur.
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interesting, thanks for doing the comparison. Octa is far more pleasant as is. DT would be unusable for my taste.
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