Any other elektronauts in Brazil?

Here is mostly funk where I live, and not really organized electronic music scene like I think in other place in USA or Euro. Maybe some stuff but is more for tourist maybe? I am hoping to connect with other DJ or Producer, especially ones using Digitone and Digitakt like me in Rio or other part of Brazil.

qualquer um? kkkk :brazil:

okay I will wait !

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Rio is an absolutely incredible city. I hope you are able to connect with people there.

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boa sorte para ti rafaela

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valeu amigo! beijo! @unbesbai

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Hi,
I’m from Porto Alegre and a proud owner of a combo DT+DN, besides other gears. It would be nice if we could revamp this thread and make it a place were other fellow Brazilians could use to discuss topics that are relevant just to us (like a local marketplace for used gears, for example…)

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I may be visiting Brazil in April, and probably spend a couple of months in Sao Paolo. How is the electronic music, jamming, hardware scene over there?

Hey fellow Elektronauts,

My family and I are in the process of moving our lives from Berlin to Rio de Janeiro. Of course that brings the question up what to do with all my gear (I have a bunch like many of us). Originally I was going to ship it once we receive our resident permits there, but I’ve learned that Brazilian customs would likely consider any such shipment as commercial import (rather than as personal belongings), which would mean a hefty import tax to bring all the gear in. So now I’m wondering whether selling (most) of it and then rebuying in Brazil wouldn’t be the better strategy.

But I’m not sure if some of the gear/brands I love and would hate to part ways with (Dreadbox, Vermona, Twisted Electrons, Waldorf, DSI/Sequential and of course Elektron to name a few) are readily available in Brazil and if so at what cost/how much of a markup?

Any Brazilians on the forum that could help me understand their local market better so that I can make a more educated decision? What are some of the retailers that y’all recommend for audio gear?

I’ve already started selling some stuff I know I can live without, but things like my Iridium Keyboard, MegaFM mk1, my Dreadbox synths, my Vermona Mono Lancet and a few boutique FX pedals I’d struggle to be without. Plus my Elektron gear (DT, ST, DN, OT) I want to keep/replace there if possible. I also have two Apollo X8 interfaces with two Behringer ADA800s and an old Mackie mixer for my inputs and outputs. I don’t love any of them dearly, but selling them would probably mean selling them at a heavy discount…I suspect this would be true for most gear (we wanna move in Dec). I have a bit of Pioneer/Toraiz gear (SP16 & AS-1), a Maschine+ and a bunch of midi gear (Roli Seabord, Linnstrument 128, a Faderfox unit and a Presonus Faderport8) which I’d also love to keep but I can imagine these things will be easier to find anywhere in the world really.

Any tips/impressions/insights will be welcome!

Obrigado gente!

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Paging @Leonsarmiento….

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Always helping out, cheers mate! Hope all’s been well at your end. :fist:t3:

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Back at ya! I’m excited to hear about your upcoming Artemis and also your humongous life change!

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Look for spektro audio I think is on the forum

I’m originally from Brazil but I left more than a decade ago (from São Paulo to Stockholm).

When I left (and I believe it’s the same to this day) it was very hard to find more niche hardware, not just electronic instruments but any electronics gear for niche hobbies.

I don’t think you will even be able to find some of this stuff locally, with luck you will find someone doing private imports and selling on mercadolivre.com.br with a very high markup, both because import taxes for electronics are quite absurd in Brazil and also from being a very small niche and expensive hobby for the country where the item might not sell for months.

If I were you I wouldn’t part ways with this gear expecting to be able to just purchase it again locally, you will likely have to import them yourself (and pay the absurd tax and duties on top of the price of the item + shipment, and shipping from the EU/USA to Brazil gets very expensive). It’s probably cheaper to bring them and pay taxes than selling and re-acquiring.

Check if you can find a Brazilian lawyer specialised in relocations to see if there’s anything you can do to mark those items as personal items to be tax-exempt, there might be ways but be prepared for Brazilian bureaucracy which can be very tiresome and tricky :confused: Brazilian bureaucracy makes the German one feel like a walk in the park…

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Although I dont live in Brazil, my wife is Brazilian and we visit quite frequently. I would absolutely not rely on rebuying gear in Brazil, all electronics are abysmally expensive and synth shops are very uncommon in my experience. I would perhaps just take a few pieces of key equipment.

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Things uniquely Brazilian: Pelé, Bossa Nova, and Nota Fiscal.

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Opa @hausland bem vindo! Rio is the most beautiful corner of this planet. Definitely drop aDM when you get here. I’m mostly confined to family plans with kids involving beach, so no crazy clubbing…

Now to the meat: customs. Tl:dr: yes, self declare if your are bringing more than 6 things that could look “funny” on x-ray scans inside your luggage. E.g. metal boxes with transistors inside.

The customs issue is only a thing when you’re at importing for resale later in Brazil, or when you bought something for yourself then you become an importer.

Personal use devices (laptops, guitars, Elektron boxes) are considered as such as long as they’re a “reasonable” number. For example:

  1. A guy with an electric guitar: personal belongings
  2. A guy with 5 guitars: a guy with GAS that could potentially sell those 5 guitars → need to declare.

You can self declare it at customs for a reasonable price in case you’re bringing like lots of things (like 6 to 10 “things” that look similar. More on that later). When I bring my stuff from Colombia into Brazil via Rio de Janeiro (people here is more relaxed than other cities in the South of Brazil, as you will learn when you live here…) I declared that I bought that stuff years ago (true) , that off course receipts are gone at this point (true), and also that their approximate value as today can be find in a second hand music instruments website from the USA (which is where I bought my stuff, so also true) for reference (reverb) which I cleverly got print screens printed for reference from the Digitakt 2 release period (when everyone was crazy selling their Elektrons to get the new toy). I declared my digitakt for USD 350, which is, IMO, the fair price for that amazing box.

Now… I also brought with me in the same trip a Syntakt and an OT mk2. When asked “are these the same or different things?” I responded “all of these are electronic music making hardware (obviously in Portuguese :sunglasses:). They all do the same: sequence music, create sounds. Like a synthesizer but without keyboards, you don’t play them, sequence them. Look, all of them have the same 1 through 16 buttons. They are all the same and look the same. They even have all the same name stamped on it “ELEKTRON””

So the same declared value for the Digitakt was applied to the Syntakt. And when asked about the big one, the OT mk2, I said “This is like two Digitakts (which is kind of true :rofl:), so perhaps it’s 50% more expensive, let’s say USD 500” which is close to the cost of an OT mk1 which we can all agree is basically the same thing that a MK2 with a right hand on top of a bible.

So I self declared and payed like 20% of the declared value of my goods and they became “naturalized” or imported. Which is required if you plan to sell something later in here (not of my interest since it would be impossible to get any of those at reasonable price domestically or shipped internationally later) but more important: because when I travel abroad with any of these boxes and if I’m stopped at customs when came back to Brazil I can show with that self declared import manifest that the Digitakt or A4 or what not that I have with me at the moment is already “naturalized” in Brazil so I do not need to pay again for it (or for any other elektron that might stick to my leg the next time I visit a place with reasonable prices :wink: I’m looking at you, Tonverk).

And that’s why I only use elektron gear. And self declare at customs when bringing 6 or more things that look funny under X rays scan.

Hope this helps. Talks for the ping @ViolentMeals

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@victorcampos @elektrobot7 @insidestraight @Leonsarmiento thank you very much for the jnfos you’ve shared with me. It’s helpful to know that I shouldn’t expect to find the equipment I own now in Brazil - at least not at a price point that would make selling and rebuying make sense.

I do have a lawyer there, he’s the guy who made me aware of the potential risk of being taxed on a “one-off” shipment that consists predominately of gear :sweat_smile:

I’ll look into it more and will update here how things go down once they do, in case anyone else decides to emigrate to Brazil with their gear.

Obrigado gente!

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