Analog Four/Keys OS 1.40: bug reports

Elektron Gear Analog Keys/Four
#78

I am looking at this a bit more and it does seem that a half speed track needs more than 2x/double the master length to work

however, when I go to 4x length, whilst the 2:2 TRCs on the half speed track now play, they do so in an unexpected way imho

On a 16 length pattern with both a 2x and a 1/2speed and also a base 1x track the TRCs all work as expected except for later into 1/2 speed playback, each track only has 2 trigs, one is a 1:2 and the next is a 2:2

So each track is doing A / B / A / B and so on alternating between the two TRC types

However, the pattern for the 1/2 speed track is A / B / B / A or 1:2 2:2 2:2 1:2

The best reference point may well be an established bit of gear, if it differs from that then it could be a bug - this doesn’t look quite right to me, so it would be good if someone else had a look at this and offered an opinion / confirmation on this test

In your case try 256 Master and see if the ordering of 2:2 is as expected - or just try a structured test for a longer 64step pattern

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#79

2:2 breaks as you described here, it won’t play if the pattern is 128 long and it does ABBA if set to 256

#80

I’d reported the former, but I suspect this is related to a broader issue affecting many of the TRC conditions

e.g. taking 2:4

The pattern is
A B A A
A A B A
A B A A
A A B A

something is not quite right, there’d be no point investigating further until the root of this is tackled

#81

This is also happening to me. I tried on FX channel first but then on first four tracks to confirm. Internal keyboard doesn’t work for me either, even when I set to send to external in the Port Config menu.

#82

This isn’t a bug. You need to set the setting Output CH to Track, it is currently set to Auto.

#83

7 posts were merged into an existing topic: Analog Four/Keys 1.40 & Analog Rytm 1.50

#85

I bet you wish you had a dollar for every time you’ve typed that.

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#87

Hi,

With Analog Keys, the hold function behaviour changed in a bad way.
Previously, when you have a few notes held, you could remove some notes from the selection by hitting it again. It is not possible anymore.
Also, if you hit another chord and hit hold button, you can’t hold notes that where already in the previous chord. Worse, if you select the same notes exactly, everything stops when you hit hold.
Very disappointing.

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#88

Have you reported this to Elektron support?

#89

i’m not sure what the previous behaviour was, but i can confirm that it’s not possible to remove notes from a ‘hold’ chord in 1.40

#90

I just send them a ticket…

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#91

Well colour me wrong, but from a reply back on my ticket this isn’t considered a bug

If not a bug then it’s an oversight and workflow inconsistency - I thought the whole point of the Auto Channel functionality was that you could offload anything that can musically be done internally via the limited keys to a bigger version with velocity etc

I don’t know off the top of my head of other areas where the possibilities diverge when using an external keyboard instead, but this seems like an obvious place to ensure that the user gets the same ability off-board as on-board

Perhaps this is not as straightforward to rectify as it appears to be, there may be complications, but I am surprised that given awareness of the inconsistency they aren’t making efforts to change this right away, it seems like a significant new shortcoming in the intended Auto Channel functionality, to me anyway

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A4 Keyboard In -> Midi Out on CV Track
#92

Vey bad news… So I can´t play anything connected via MIDI thru A4… absurd… In a setup when using an external keyboard to fire several keyboards or instruments you cant program the A4 sequencer listen to the “real” sound!! you must use an internal A4 sound for programing and then change it to the sound you choose in an external MIDI module???

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#93

It’s even more troublesome if you are using e.g. the FX track to program some 4 note poly stuff over MIDI only - I do not understand the logic that this isn’t considered MIA, I thought that the AutoChannel was there to permit an easier key entry for anything doable via the limited mini keys

You can send in a feature request, but as it’s not evidently concurred that it’s an inconsistency/oversight I wouldn’t expect a quick fix (which I had genuinely been anticipating)

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#94

You can, with midi THRU, but the recorded notes are going to midi OUT. Of course it should work with midi OUT, update needed.

Before a new update, you can plug OUT and THRU in a midi merger, or switch THRU and OUT.

#95

This won’t be any use when you use the Auto Channel externally though

thru in the comment is really via. - i.e. via auto channel, as though the mini keys were pressed

this is not about passing midi straight through, it’s about completing the Auto Channel functionality

#96

I know, it’s not convenient, but this is not true with THRU. Who knows when there will be an update? Will it be done / possible?

#97

Please undestand my senteces in its own context…dont take apart the whole story.

We are speaking about the new functionality, MIDI Sequencing. So in this context you CAN´T,. Can´t program live sequences using external keynboard and external midi sounds, you can´t audition external MIDI from external keyboard. MIDI thru is for other uses, we are skipping there the main functionality: sequencer MIDI out.

#98

I agree this is quite disappointing and problematic especially for people who want to live record during a performance for example. For the rest of us it’s just really bad for workflow.
Using a MIDI merger as @sezare56 suggests is a good idea. If I’m understanding - this will allow you to both hear the sound and record into sequencer at same time with the auto channel, but you’re out of luck if you need thru for something else.
edit: this is only true if you set your auto channel and track channel the same, and your external synth to that channel - not ideal!

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#99

You don’t set the auto channel as the track channel though. You must use the auto channel to externally step program.

Let’s not confuse missing functionality with solutions predicated on extra gear . There is a clear divergence with how proper Auto channel support is implemented. The new midi possibilities reveal this as lacking.

To program you have to play blind. The best workaround is to use locks or the mini keys, but the price is sensitivity and comfort.

To me it makes no sense to not see this as missing functionality, but that is the official verdict. I think when people grasp this it will be so obvious that it is inconsistent and inconvenient. If you use external keys.

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