For some reason the tracks conversation, always, always goes this way and I really don’t get why that is. Tbh I shouldn’t have chimed in, that didn’t help either.
Like, it’s a legitimate thing to want and it makes sense that people would want it - even if I personally really don’t think it’d work in the Move hardware.
no the strongly eluded to it on the dischord, i posted a link iearlier in this thread in one of my push mini rants, search for that
What you file under „fanboyism“ is for me more like: tired of reading the same 4-track rant over and over again. This limit is well known and nothing will change that. Though (i know i repeat myself here as well), there are a couple of ways to work arround that nonetheless.
I’ve got a question which may actually be sort of strange… How would you guys rate the move for a sketchpad for non-electronic music. By this I mean, I often simply want something that works like a CR78 and can offer some simple drum backing while I play guitar. I might want some piano or rhodes sounds to get a basic chord progression down in what feels like more of an organic arrangment.
Do you think Move could be a good fit for this kind of workflow as well as more loop-based, electronic stuff as well?
I’ve fancied a smaller workpad since I saw Bjork using the Yamaha QY20 to get song ideas together long, long ago.
I also find I can get caught in the trap of the loop and find it hard to get out, so I want to feel comfortable that Move could work for more linear captures of keys/chord progressions performances as well.
If anyone has this sort of use-case/workflow, I’d be very grateful to hear how it’s working for you.
you could have one track with a small drum loop and capture another clip of keys on another track, sure. I’m not sure I’d call it “linear”, as it’s still loop/clip based, but that clip can be up to 16 bars long
I wouldn’t be surprised if Move was actually better for such workflow than for electronic music, where you quickly run out of tracks because you want to keep all of them live & editable (at least for some genres). it’s super easy to program or capture drums on it and it’s incredibly helpful that each new Set comes with random drum kit, bass, pad & pluck → you get your quick start inspiration by default.
I guess if/once Ableton adds “audio tracks” and a looper to the Move’s feature set, it will be perfect.
Is there any indication that there’s a likelihood that a looper and audio tracks are likely to come? As above, I’m not sure I’d see that as a good thing necessarily for this box, but either way I thought they were very clear that it isn’t getting more tracks one way or the other.
Think I said it above, but one thing that’s struck me is how well Move works right now in a context of jams with non-electronic musicians and instruments. Pretty much just programming/recording loops and playing parts in real time for my part. Also have noticed that musicians with no background in electronic music seem to take to it a lot more easily than other gear I’ve got.
No, I didn’t mean extra tracks. I just mean the ability to use one (or more) of the 4 tracks as regular Audio Track in Live, to record audio onto it 
I’m not talking about more tracks, just additional track type, i.e. Audio Track (and maybe a Looper device from Live).
I’m pretty sure there are already FRs for that on Discord.
Ok, but is there any indication that this is likely to happen? Just wondering if this is something the’ve talked about is all, not really following the discord these days.
I’d be a bit skeptical still, especially when it’s already pretty much a looper at base level and you can do basically the same thing by sampling and retriggering within a drum rack without having to give up a full track for this. But possibly could benefit from better (re)sampling to support this. I guess warping would be the big advantage of a dedicated audio track type, but not sure the processor has the juice for this
It’s really easy to get drum loops going, and you can record audio with a synced start, and iirc the sampling time is pretty much unlimited. So yes, you can!
I only mentioned that in the context of the post by @infiniteposse where I think recording to the actual audio track (as opposed to a Drum Rack pad) would be useful. Or using a Looper.
I’m sure he’s not the 1st person envisioning such an workflow, i.e. where he lays out some rudimentary beats, bass & chords and jams over it on a guitar or other such instrument.
This is possible in Live or Push. I see no reason why it wouldn’t in Move, eventually. That’s still a sketchpad workflow, just for different music
It just needs Audio Track and/or a Looper, which WERE already requested and upvoted by people.
Yes, you can record to a pad, but then to have that played back you need to laboriously sequence a MIDI note & tweak its parameters, so that it’s either very long or has Hold parameter of sufficient length. Both pretty cumbersome with a guitar in hand, I’d imagine 
Proper Audio Tracks and/or Looper would solve that, and be perfectly transferrable to Live because both exist there.
There is a feature request in their discord channel but it‘s just wishful thinking at this point. Ableton did not give the slightest hint that audio tracks could ever happen.
But they don‘t like to talk about any plans that are too far away in the future.
The same thing could be said about wasting development resources by putting truly shitty speakers into this thing and forcing them to solve things like not playing the speakers when connected to USB audio etc. They don’t invite spontaneous creativity and playability either since they sound truly shit. 
doesn’t matter if you’re tired of reading something. this is an open forum and people can and will express dissenting views on things. if it triggers you so much, stay off the internet. i can personally recommend it!
maybe one explanation for these conversations always going south as @benway observed is because the instant anyone voices an opinion that detracts from the preferred narrative a handful of zealots have a conniption fit and begin to attack whoever dared offer their own perspective.
OP (on this topic, not thread) asked an innocent question and suddenly their ability to think logically, their temperament & their alleged unrestrained sense of entitlement were all attacked in a single breath.
anyway, like i said, you’re mischaracterizing the nature of this discussion to justify childish and hostile behavior. no one was ranting. ever. all @KrisG did was ask how people were addressing a perceived limitation and people on this thread flipped out.
Truly pointless, those speakers.
„ this is an open forum and people can and will express dissenting views on things“
And so did i. Hope i did no trigger you 
That’s sarcasm, right?