Ableton Move: Schwung (Custom synths and FX)

I’m thrilled that he covered this. The project deserves it!

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Was just thinking how it would be nice to ask about best reccomended workflow to get the audio from
Schwung synths into Ableton and this video popped up in my feed:

Still wish there was some kinda bounce/convert all to audio clips tho as it’s kinda slow to have to one by one resample everything and reassign as drum rack samples to have the audio flow through into Ableton using Moves native cloud sync

There is song mode and quantized resampler, are you looking for basically those with stemmed out recordings?

Hi! This looks great.

Is it possible to create send effects for all 4 tracks (for example, global delay and reverb), instead of just insert effects like in the original Move?

And is it possible to save a project’s progress and disable autosave to keep it organized the way you want?
Thanks!!!

Yeah some kinda global bounce/render ALL tracks/clips to audio so they could easily flow into Ableton DAW using the normal non-Schwung Move functionality:

  • idea is that one uses the normal move clip workflow as long as possible then gets to a point where is time to ‘bounce’
  • with normal move functionality this isn’t an issue both midi/audio flow in normally but with the extra Schwung stuff I usually get to a point where it feels like too much effort to do anything further with it

goal

  • get all sounds I have generated using Schwung easily into Ableton without a lot of individual resampling/bouncing/reassigning on the device
  • ideally one button press to render all

to go from:

  • four tracks each loaded with a full chain of midiFX/synth/audioFX in the Schwung shadow UI
  • the underlying Move tracks are just four empty samplers
  • the underlying Move tracks are filled with midi clips that were created while playing the Schwung synths and some/all may only make sense with the assigned midiFX

to

  • the tracks are replaced with four normal Move Audio tracks (as of 2.0)
  • each track has audio clips that are filled with rendered audio of the midi clip it was replacing (which was triggering the schwung chain)

result

  • an Ableton Move project that contains audio that can flow into the Ableton DAW for further use there
  • could be a newly generated project or overwrite of the existing

Last time I checked this wasn’t possible but I know things move quick here so happy to be corrected if in the meantime this is already possible somehow! :slight_smile:

They’re insert, not send effects, like on Move (but with dry/wet), but there are four master effects lots, yes.

No, you can’t disable autosave, just like on Move :smiley:

This also isn’t possible, but the idea of “bouncing to audio tracks” even in a seperate set is super interesting. Hard to faff with different clip lengths, but something interesting to think about!

edit: reverb tails :frowning:

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That’s a shame, those are the two functions I dislike most on this machine. Thanks for replying!

The Dronage port that just got added to the module store is great, highly recommend

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Where are Dronage recordings saved? I can’t find them anywhere on Move.

Recordings land on the Move at:

/data/UserData/UserLibrary/DronageMove/recordings/

(thanks @charlesv for the pointer!)
for now you can reach that folder like this: http://move.local:7700/files?path=%2Fdata%2FUserData%2FUserLibrary%2FDronageMove%2Frecordings

i’ll shortly be sending an update that records wave files under UserLibrary/Samples/Schwung/DronageMove though so if you want to you can reach the samples from Move as well

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ok the new update (1.2.8) is live, and now the recordings go here:
http://move.local:7700/files?path=/data/UserData/UserLibrary/Samples/Schwung/DronageMove

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Dronage is so cool as a Terminal app, but Dronage on the Move sounds like even more :kissing_heart:

Can’t wait to try it out when I have the time!

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Just in time for Drone Day…

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sure reverb or other FX tails would indeed be cut off in a bounce/render situation but I would argue even an option to bounce all to audio without any audio FX would still be useful with the goal of getting the ‘idea’ from Move Schwung into Ableton :slight_smile:

You really nailed it @boorch

Dronage takeover is really cleverly done for the Move. If you know your way around the original, than the Move version is a breeze.

:saluting_face:

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Having loads of fun with Dronage, thanks @boorch !

Is there possibility to have more than 16 steps loops?

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@charlesv hi man im realy interested in Physical Modelling and wondered if there was any way of getting a synth like Collision , Chromaphone into Shwung?
Cheers Rob

i’ve moved on to other projects, but i noted it down. technically it’s possible, the challenging part is to figure out UI/UX/Input. the OG ancestor Dronage Terminal had only a 5 step CV sequencer, so frankly i thought 16 steps with full parameter locks of any/all parameters was already more than enough :sweat_smile:

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Schwung works great and already offers a lot of useful features. One area I’d love to see expanded is the impressive chord module.

A few ideas:

  • More dynamic chord generation based on the selected root note and scale. For example, chord types could automatically adapt depending on the harmonic context.

  • An advanced strumming mode with more realistic up/down stroke behavior. Examples could include:

    • Triggering an upstroke or downstroke every nth chord.
    • Defining repeating up/down strumming patterns that continue throughout playback.
    • Introducing controlled variation to make strumming feel less mechanical.
  • Advanced voice leading for chord progressions. Chords could be automatically inverted to keep them close together:

    • The root chord would always remain in root position.
    • Subsequent chords would be inverted based on the previous chord.
    • Notes shared between consecutive chords would remain in the same position whenever possible, resulting in smoother transitions and more natural-sounding progressions.

These additions could make generated accompaniments feel even more musical and realistic.

Regarding arpeggios, I would like to see more flexibility and customization options.

I also own a Midi Cake Arp, which, in my opinion, is one of the most capable devices when it comes to MIDI effects, arpeggiation, and generative sequencing. It offers a level of control and creative potential that I would love to see reflected in Schwung as well.

Some of the features and concepts I particularly appreciate on the Midi Cake Arp, and that could be interesting additions to Schwung, include:

  • More advanced pattern generation and editing.
  • Greater control over note order, direction, and playback rules.
  • Flexible timing, rhythm, and step-based variations.
  • More generative and evolving arpeggio behaviors.
  • Additional MIDI FX-style transformations that can be applied to generated notes and patterns.