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The logic is that stuff showing up on second hand market places is directly linked to how many new ones are sold.
I see, for example, loads of SP404s, loads of MPCs, loads of Digitakts, loads of Push 2s even now. This suggests that all of these are selling really well. Or that theyāre selling ok but people donāt like them very much and get rid of them quickly. But they must be selling in decent numbers new otherwise they wouldnāt be available second hand.
Iāve seen literally one or two Push 3s for sale in the, what, 18 months since release. There seemed to be a small spike in 2s being sold shortly after 3 came out but thatās it. I can only see three or four for sale in my entire country of 70m.
And if thereās almost none for sale second hand, either everyone who bought them loves it and doesnāt want to sell or theyāve not sold many in the first place.
All of which are devices that for various reasons people tend to buy then bounce off pretty quickly. Also a lot cheaper so itās not as much of a deal to grab one, nope out and then sell without taking a huge hit on it.
Think itās hard to read too much into that one way or the other - the alternative reading is that the Push 3s are selling quickly on the second hand market and the more common devices that have all been out a lot longer are sitting there.
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Iāve travelled with the P3S in my carry-on multiple times, and itās at the absolute top end of what I consider āportable.ā Iāve got my fingers crossed that Move is something like the Polyend Tracker Mini ā a little box that runs the same firmware as the big box, but sacrifices physical controls in favour of a smaller chassis. Dare to dream!
However, if I had to place a bet, I would guess that itās a paid expansion to Ableton Cloud that lets you sync your library between Live, Push, and Note. A few months ago i responded to a survey about their cloud services, and quite a few of the questions dealt with accessing your user files from any device. It felt like they were planning something but wanted to make sure they focused on the right details.
(99% sure there was no NDA on the survey)
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Couldnāt this also mean that people love them so much theyāre not selling them?
It could. However circumstantial evidence (me) says that one can buy the controller version, sell it; then buy a standalone, and sell it too 
And that person would buy a small P3, again.
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Someone at Ableton had to realize that Ableton in a Box is a cool thing in and in itself but that the size and the weight of push3SA just makes no sense to carry it around, not even in the room. So if it is Push in small then it would be really cool.
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Iāve always thought that a push minus the bottom 4 or 5 rows of pads, and a half inch off the top and bottom of the unit after that would be really great.
Not sure what they would do with the botton matrix in general but the unit as is has always been too large for me. Iāve owned all 3 as they have come out over the years.
Were I a graphics guy Iād make a mockup but, alas, my description will have to do.
I still think that Ableton Move will just be a Concert Series for Ableton based artists to perform live and virtually.
Music to MOVE an audience.
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I hadnāt really given this much though and donāt have the first clue what it might be, but you may well be on to something. It actually makes a lot of sense for Ableton to run a cut-down Push-ish device in the mid-market to compete with stuff like the MPC One and SP404 with people who probably wouldnāt spring for the full version, could sell a bunch - following on from the discussion above. Even the marketing suggests something in that kind of space to me.
Personally most of the point of Push is the MPE pads as opposed to being Ableton in a Box (which it kinda isnāt really despite obviously technically being exactly that), so not sure that would be for me personally. But if itās a pocket-sized device that does stuff on the go and can come back and integrate seamlessly with Push and Live, that might be hard to ignore.
Anyway not long to wait before we find out. Been listening to a few interviews with Robert Henke recently and the guy is so on it that Iām confident anything heās been involved with in any way is gonna be good, you can even see the improvements in Live since he came back on board.
Iām hoping that Ableton Move is a free pizza program.
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Didnāt we already have evidence of hardware filings for Move?
Care to post - or PM to me - some links? Thanks 
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yep
I thought Ableton was just moving to another building (rents are so expensive these days).
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Sure thing, heās been doing the rounds of the podcasts with the new Monolake record coming out:
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I hope they change them damn buttons if it is a thing and it has buttons.
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Hope they do gluten free as well 
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Agreed. Never liked them on P2 or P3. I was always scared that one day my finger will go through & stay thereā¦
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I would vote for a subscription based cloud service as other have said. But the trademark hardware filling might indicate something else.
if it is hardware it has to be something that has been thought for a long while. i dont think its realistic to think that in 15 months since push 3 was released, ableton had time to come to the conclusion that it wasnt selling enough, evaluate alternatives, design a product, mass produce it and release it.
They already have ableton cloud, just making a complete offer where you move your projects between note, ableton or push, save projects remotely or even to allow remote colaboration much more effectively than now. If so it would be probably the only cloud service i could eventually pay for. But a bit boring, regarding hardware expectations.
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