I think a lot of people who want to dip their toes into the Hardware world would see this a perfect gateway. A lot wont be in forums or even know much else but i can see a lot of kids trying it out to see if its for them.
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man, itās a ableton drumrack in your handsā¦ how cool is that?
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Iām in the āIāve been making music a long time and Iāve got too much equipmentā demographic 
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But still enjoying the Moveā¦
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Its great. Iām not knocking it. But the main buyers will be newcomers rather than seasoned vets as i see it. Not many will push it to its full potential as with most gear.
Exactly why I ordered it
Have to ask is there a returns policy on the Move?. Anyone have any experience with that with say Push for example?. Iām tempted to buy it and try it out, but not sure if I can return it since I used it
I think I understand where youāre coming from.
I think Ableton have perfectly positioned this product and they definitely will sell a ton of units over time to beginners.
Initial sales are probably bolstered by experienced folks with tons of gear, many of whom are vocal on forums but overtime as new users consider Ableton Iām sure theyāll consider the options they have for first controllers and first hardware and Ableton have made this a perfect device for that. Those new users will see that and the price and likely be able to justify that cost.
This trajectory should also help sustain sales overtime which should be good news for product development 
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Perfectly put.
30 days
nervously looking at too much gearā¦
The demographic is wide.
Move is immediate enough to be accessible to beginners, and deep enough to be coveted/appreciated by experienced users.
Thatās some achievement in 2024.
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Understand that from checking the website, but even if open and played for a bit?
That is how I understand it, its so you can try itā¦it wouldnāt be a good return if you couldnāt try it!
From their site-
Push, Move and the Upgrade Kit can be returned within 30 days of purchase in all regions. For details, contact our Support team with your order invoice number. We will honor the 30-day period even if you only contact us on the last day, so there is no need to send the device on your own.
All hardware must be returned in new condition and include all original parts and packaging. After receiving the returned device, we will issue a return and process a refund via the original payment method.
And
# Push and Move Return Policy
We offer a 30-day return time frame in all regions.
Push and Move must be returned in new condition and include all original parts and packaging. After receiving the returned device, we will complete the refund and issue the funds back to the original payment method used.
I donāt think itās and unfair assertion. Beginners probably donāt realize how limited it really is. In that sense, theyāre able to sketch ideas quickly and further delve into the Live ecosystem more easily.
I think more seasoned producers/engineers/songwriters would prefer a more mature and/or sophisticated workflow. Not worlds away from Move but just more advanced.
Here are a couple questions/observations:
Other than the fun of playing around with it because itās new, can it really fit into your preexisting Ableton workflow? Can you create a new workflow you benefit from with this device?
Or ā¦
Is it perfect for you because you have been playing around with Note on your phoneā¦ doodling here and there and now thereās a hardware āNoteā device that looks and functions similarly to Push?
A lot of us instantly noticed there are no scenes and currently no way to chain patterns (and other things). Thereās also not so much information yet available about how it actually integrates with Live in controller mode.
I donāt think beginners are really taking these things into account.
Iām far from a beginner and Iām considering Move because I like making music in Live but Iāve concluded Iām definitely not the target audience.
Alsoā¦
I think Ableton is interested in selling its cloud service. You can have 8 sets sync with Ableton cloud for free, more than that will cost you.
Either way, Iām glad they made it and I hope they continue to develop it.
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it will get better and I think Iāll find a place for it, but Iām in the same headspace, though Iām just boxing mine back up for a bit and going to wait it out. it can keep the other half of my studio gear thatās gathering dust company!
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Nice, that is what I thought as well. Just want to try it, obviously I keep it if I like it but so many unknowns for me at the moment. So like to buy and if not return, however, not sure how hassle free it will be.
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This is actually not true at the momentā¦
Iām sure Ableton has long term plans to monetize Ableton Cloud, but my understanding is that of right now you canāt buy any storage on Ableton Cloud except for what they provide you. And they just increased the number of sets you can have there, I think in response to the strong showing of the Move.
So right now, Ableton Cloud is being offered gratis and thatās the ONLY option. But again, I would anticipate that will change in the futureā¦
Given how seamless the Move Manager is, unless youāre really into the Move ā Note workflow, I donāt personally see a strong reason to use the cloud services. Though some of the discussion above about dragging from the cloud directly into Live does sound cool!
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On Reddit one of the devs said they want to keep it free, but decided to restrict it to 8 Sets simply because it creates substantial cost for Ableton to maintain it. He hasnāt really indicated they have plans to āmonetizeā it. Ableton isnāt in it for the money, i.e. immediate profit isnāt something that guides their decisions.
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I was basing my information on what the product manager said during his Sonicstate demonstration (watch from 27:56). If things have changed since then, I stand corrected.
Already?..jeez that was quick 
