obviously people with Live will benefit from this device more but don’t think it’s like the “main strategy” or something, they saw a market for fully portable standalone devices and took advantage of their knowledge of Push and made something that sells to even broader demographic, like super quick entry into making music with zero hassle, bringing in full midi support etc. is more on the “pro” side which this device doesn’t really seems to be intended for, they invested in taking better sketches more then relying on external things, and seems to be a good result…
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Is a Decksaver already out there?
Ironically after the jokes about it being a bag for Push, this could have used a case with it.
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I really don’t understand the “game dev” mentality from the consumer side. You buy a device as-is, any updates are either a bonus or is something you buy as an add-on. Pretty much the reason I’m still with Digitakt 1, I need Overbridge for my workflow, I’m not going to wait and cross my fingers for an update that might, potentially be coming for 2.
Also part of the reason why people absolutely adored the original Circuit, we didn’t assume any updates at a time, bought the box as-is and received quite some updates along the line. Somehow this built the expectation that updates are a given and now people in the online community are less happy about the Circuit Tracks/Samples because they hasn’t seen those updates. (Same goes for the Syntakt for that matter…)
I’ve read some threads with @Ess on software ideas/suggestions, those ideas are just 1% of the process, to implement them can incredibly complicated, time consuming and thereby expensive. It’s best to assume that synth/software developers are trying to give you a complete experience when they sell their products and not buy it for the “potential of the platform”. Even though I would absolutely lose my marbles if Ableton gave Ess a giant bag of gold to turn Move into a hardware version of Opal, I am 99,9% certain that isn’t going to happen.
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I don’t think it’s a strategy; I just think they’re saving resources by not implementing MIDI because they don’t see it as necessary for their target audience, which is primarily composed of beginners and beatmakers.
that’s a good point but for some automations and sound design, more than melodies, are the rough idea of a track.
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i saw in one of the clips, they were changing kits and drum samples by twisting a knob while the sequencer was running, I think it was in the sonic state video…
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It would be great to see an old person demoing this instead of all the kids Ableton chose to. Just to see what they would come out with.
Yeah, and I think this has plenty of options for that as well. The step sequencer seems like a big upgrade to what we’ve had in ableton when it comes to per step automation.
And the new drum sampler has lots of cool sound design stuff as well so I don’t think this will be completely hands off with automation and sound design, just that the idea is more to be pick up and play and get ideas made quickly.
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Thank you! I have not heard of this and bookmarked it. M4L is an indispensable resource.
However, it would be great if you could sample into Move in controller mode in the future as it’s one button sampling and all.
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Just verified in the manual that this automaps the knobs to devices so you can tweak the parameters. It really is a baby push in that regards, which is amazing. That’s what I needed.
Also the 16 pitches next to the rack, saves even more space since you can drop a bass note in a drum rack and play it on the pitches. In theory you could write a beat with 16 sounds in just one track if you wanted.
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MIDI right now is SEVERELY limited according to the manual – “Move can send and receive MIDI notes to and from class-compliant USB-powered MIDI devices. Low-speed and full-speed USB devices are supported, but not hi-speed USB devices such as Push.”
It also doesn’t send or receive CC data, and it only sends clock. For me, the most confusing limitation is that you can’t send and receive MIDI simultaneously – the two listed options are “Send MIDI Only” and “Receive MIDI Only.” I hope that’s next on their roadmap because it’s very limiting!
I’m basing my response on this article: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/14661164865308-Using-MIDI-with-Move#h_01J7GAAKAKHJGV2G8WEC09NJR2
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I scraped by here but the prediction stands!
It says USB A type to connect to midi devices. I’m assuming we could use a USB A to USB B 2.0 cable.
how do you think you would combine it with the Syntakt?
Hang on, no midi sustain transmitted? That sounds mad. Why would they not allow that for those who want to play a midi keyboard into it?
I also would really like if Move allowed to record actual Audio tracks, not just samples into a Drum Rack. It nearly feels like you would need to sync an OP1 or some App on the phone along with it with Ableton Link, such as Logic for IOS, but that kinda defeats the purpose a bit.
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It can’t even receive midi clock 
These are dealbreakers for anyone wanting to use it as part of a setup imo. I guess that wasn’t the intention with what it’s meant to do, but I’m quite sad that my GASy urge to buy this has been killed by these limitations.
I just hope it can sync with the Takt boxes at least as a sync host. If not then it’s a pass for me
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Pretty sure MIDI is mainly just for you to be able to sequence a piece of hardware and then send it start stop so you can sample into the Move. If you want to get deep with CC’s that’s not going to happen, but you could dial up a patch on your synth and record while wiggling.
Whats cool is you have 4 minutes of sample time, which is pretty great, imo.
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Yea I’m not sure how that works. I hopefully the digi’s are backwards compatible? Idk
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i dunno, it is that but at the same time it isn’t that
Yeah this is what I’m looking at too. I often want to throw a single small box on the table that has both pads and encoders and well… this is it!
So the one area I’m not clear on just yet is the ability to bank parameters. Did you spot anything about that?
From the manual:
“Use the wheel to navigate between a track’s devices in Live’s Device View, and press the wheel to unfold or fold Racks. Turn the encoders to adjust the parameters for the selected device. Hold the Delete button and tap an encoder to delete the automation for the corresponding parameter.”
I’d just be interested to see if that’s restricted to only the first bank of parameters or (like a Launchkey) if you can page them somehow. Can’t see that covered anywhere so far at least.
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