Ableton co-founder Robert Henke thinks we should bring back CDs

Might as well utilize lossless audio files if there’s no tangible difference :slight_smile:

But also including full end to end lifespan of production, distribution, sales, etc etc.

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I’m not sure ‘interesting ‘ is the word I’d use. Factual perhaps …

Okay then

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I believe the only sustainable way would be to listen only live , unplugged music. Ah !

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Emphasis on vinyl’s unsustainability is a red herring given the unsustainable nature of so much of human activity in far greater numbers than vinyl produces. It sounds like CDs still don’t have the archival potential of vinyl either. Far more important is making mobile phones sustainable.

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Yeah, I also wish this didn’t set responsibility for recycling and sustainability to the consumer over all the other drastic forms of pollution and destruction.

Sure it’s worth considering, but analysis focusing ultimate blame on consumers is just displacement of the failures of industry at world-scale.

Reminds me a bit of how the fossil fuel industry created a “carbon credit” economy to further abstract the harm they do.

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For sure, I agree that laws should be changed for corporations instead of forcing the blame onto individuals and their recycling habits etc. But we’re getting into wider topics here.

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There’s an old proverb that says: “Some CD me now, Some CD me later, Some may even CD me in the future”. And what that means is nothing.

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The next overused effect: CD Sim

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This is the bingo of this whole discussion IMO. I’m not convinced plastic in a landfill is more harmful than a global network of redundant heat pumps.

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They have it on SLSK…

Exactly

I do like that booklets are/were a norm of CDs. One of my favorites is the venomous little microfiction from the Mountain Goats’ “Tallahassee”

Some vinyl get released with booklets too, but this seems to be less common.

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Just wanted to remind everyone that Europe is hitting 40 degrees … keep your vinyl cool.

Someone somewhere is going to sell a chill out cabinet purely to put vinyl in. ( basically a painted fridge with 200% price hike )

Actually … sounds like a good idea , I could be rich !!!

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The “point” for you is purely aesthetic: the art and the heft and the analog-goodness of vinyl. But he says pretty clearly that CDs sound better than vinyl, and he’s absolutely correct about that. I’ve been thinking about digging my old 250-disc changer our and loading it up from old rare discs I have that are not available streaming.

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hell yes. It’s up to governments to FORCE corporations to adopt better practices and not just shame consumers for not recycling enough.

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Man cave ?

Had no idea how involved the CD manufacturing process was until I saw this.

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I have a folder dedicated to vinyl samples I pull off records I buy. The sonic difference is so, so good and obvious. I hope vinyl sticks around for quite a while.

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i don’t fully understand the sustainability argument…

plastic is used for all kinds of literal one-use fast food packaging… that is clearly a bigger issue than worrying about vinyl records - which if looked after, should last for years… you can pass them on to your kids (who will throw them in the trash! haha… no…)

and if they are worn out (or your kids do want to throw them out), the vinyl can be recycled.

it’s not like streaming/downloading doesn’t have hidden costs either (the always-on servers and infrastructure to get the data to your end).

personally i like all the formats for different reasons (i’d also like to see a mini-disc revival, as others have said). i have a bigger problem with plastic waste than i do with vinyls. ideally they should be a stamp of culture and human achievement… which i think isn’t a bad use for plastic… (depending on the music of course;)

on a similar topic, i don’t understand why more biodegradable (cellulose-based) ‘plastic’ isn’t properly used where it can work instead… it’ll save future archeologists digging up excess piles of our plastic junk in a 1000 years…

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