A theory

Hello all.

Rytm has an inbuilt sampling engine, or enough room to implement it, but the guys at Elektron fear that it will impact Octatrack sales, so they decide to give it a test run. They even change the sample offset from 128 to 120, to discourage the usage of sample chains, at least those devised for the OT. But the community never sleeps, so the sample chains are active and possibly hurting the OT. They decide not to release it, at least for the time being.

The only thing that makes sense with such a wimpy input level. It’s intended use is for sampling, and with the overdrive and distortion, you can get to the required levels.

So, i will wait for the tide to shift and they give it a green light. To make this great machine even better.

As far as I can tell the audio input does not enter the digital section, so from a hardware perspective sampling from the inputs would be impossible.

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Is it possible to sample an AR analog sound and put it as wave file on the internal storage (+drive) without using computer?

Yes; see this thread.

I have a better theory, check it:

Dateline: Dallas, 1963. With the assassination of John F. Kennedy accomplished, Project Elektron is split into two new divisions. One begins work on a project to simulate low-gravity environments that will eventually feed into the supposed ‘Moon landings’ of 1969. The other team is assigned to develop a fantastic ‘electronic drummer’ to satisfy a personal whim of then CIA chief John McCone.

While work on the low-gravity simulator progresses smoothly, the electronic drummer proves problematic, and several staff are battered to death by prototypes in the early years. The team is temporarily reassigned to work on devices to electronically record and manipulate sound. The completed devices are deployed at the Watergate office complex in the early 1970s, and the team is hurriedly disbanded in the wake of subsequent media interest.

Members of the team form a private research team and continue to develop their audio equipment. Meanwhile the low-gravity team, still designated Project Elektron A, are assigned an emergency assignment: analysis of a destroyer escort craft active in the early 1940s that has mysteriously appeared in the Nevada desert.

Elektron A, baffled by this situation, call in their old team mates and are eventually able to return the ship to its own time, though not without some loss of life. Further media attention leads to the complete dissolution of Project Elektron, and the whole team elects to focus on private research and contract work.

Fifteen years later, the SidStation is released. The CIA scrutinise the device to determine if any of the Watergate R&D has been used in its design, but are satisfied that this is not the case.

Freed from company scrutiny, the team are able to resurrect McCone’s long-abandoned electric drummer project, and it’s not long before the Machinedrum is released - a partial realisation of the great man’s vision.

Further devices are released in due course, including the Octatrack. The CIA return, convinced that this time the private Elektron team have overstepped the mark. Extensive scrutiny determines that McCone’s rudimentary blueprints included a method of mechanically separating any rhythm into 128 component slices, or ‘beatlets’ in the original terminology.

By the time this has been established, the Analog Rytm is nearing release. The CIA inform Elektron that the concept of the beatlet system, being devised by McCone while in office, belongs to the company. In recognition of Elektron’s contracted work in making President Regan’s voice sound relatively normal in the final years of his presidency, the CIA agree not to pursue the matter provided the system is not replicated in the Rytm.

And so the Elektron team devise an ingenious workaround: they divide a sample into 120 component parts instead of 128. The notoriously bureaucratic CIA are satisfied with this solution, and the machine is released.

However, one mystery still fascinates enthusiasts and amateur sleuths alike - why does the Rytm, with its sample playback engine and external audio inputs, not actually sample itself? The answer is devastatingly simple - the audio inputs are passed directly to the compressor, as the team’s final tribute to John McCone’s original blueprints for his ‘electric drummer’.

Source: Wikileaks.

^
I’ve long had my suspicions, knew instinctively that something was amiss.
I Can’t tell you how relieved I am to have this confirmed.
My gf said if I were to suggest a word of this in public circles people would think I was crazy!
Omg the endless sleepless nights are a last over, I’m free :slight_smile:

They just want you to think that…

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I have a better theory, check it:

Dateline: Dallas, 1963. With the assassination of John F. Kennedy accomplished, Project Elektron is split into two new divisions. One begins work on a project to simulate low-gravity environments that will eventually feed into the supposed ‘Moon landings’ of 1969. The other team is assigned to develop a fantastic ‘electronic drummer’ to satisfy a personal whim of then CIA chief John McCone.

While work on the low-gravity simulator progresses smoothly, the electronic drummer proves problematic, and several staff are battered to death by prototypes in the early years. The team is temporarily reassigned to work on devices to electronically record and manipulate sound. The completed devices are deployed at the Watergate office complex in the early 1970s, and the team is hurriedly disbanded in the wake of subsequent media interest.

Members of the team form a private research team and continue to develop their audio equipment. Meanwhile the low-gravity team, still designated Project Elektron A, are assigned an emergency assignment: analysis of a destroyer escort craft active in the early 1940s that has mysteriously appeared in the Nevada desert.

Elektron A, baffled by this situation, call in their old team mates and are eventually able to return the ship to its own time, though not without some loss of life. Further media attention leads to the complete dissolution of Project Elektron, and the whole team elects to focus on private research and contract work.

Fifteen years later, the SidStation is released. The CIA scrutinise the device to determine if any of the Watergate R&D has been used in its design, but are satisfied that this is not the case.

Freed from company scrutiny, the team are able to resurrect McCone’s long-abandoned electric drummer project, and it’s not long before the Machinedrum is released - a partial realisation of the great man’s vision.

Further devices are released in due course, including the Octatrack. The CIA return, convinced that this time the private Elektron team have overstepped the mark. Extensive scrutiny determines that McCone’s rudimentary blueprints included a method of mechanically separating any rhythm into 128 component slices, or ‘beatlets’ in the original terminology.

By the time this has been established, the Analog Rytm is nearing release. The CIA inform Elektron that the concept of the beatlet system, being devised by McCone while in office, belongs to the company. In recognition of Elektron’s contracted work in making President Regan’s voice sound relatively normal in the final years of his presidency, the CIA agree not to pursue the matter provided the system is not replicated in the Rytm.

And so the Elektron team devise an ingenious workaround: they divide a sample into 120 component parts instead of 128. The notoriously bureaucratic CIA are satisfied with this solution, and the machine is released.

However, one mystery still fascinates enthusiasts and amateur sleuths alike - why does the Rytm, with its sample playback engine and external audio inputs, not actually sample itself? The answer is devastatingly simple - the audio inputs are passed directly to the compressor, as the team’s final tribute to John McCone’s original blueprints for his ‘electric drummer’.

Source: Wikileaks.

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Well done and thank you.

Seriously though, I wish it could slice in 128 increments.

I have a ton on awesome 128/64/32/16 chains that I made for the Octatrack, mostly drums. They are super useful. Well not in Elektron’s drum machine.

I think there is too much complaining around here, but I have to admit this is something I’m pretty disappointed in. I probably would have gotten a Rytm by now if it were not for this.

I think both theories have the same amount of strength on their’s foundations!

About 128 vs 120… just cut 8 slices. :stuck_out_tongue:

If AR was later announced to have sampling capability, it would be something like the A4 getting polyphony, hmm? :wink:

but as has been mentioned - if the external inputs were like in the A4, then there may be reason to expect they’d pass through the digital FX (showing that they were seeing an ADC) - then there’s the small screens and existing load on processor Elektron have alluded to, just doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen - ps: i really don’t rate the theory !

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Well, if the upcoming overbridge for AR allows the use of the audio input in a DAW, then we’ll know for sure about the signalpath having converters or not…

very good point !

I think a lot more is possible with these machines than we know.

But what is probable… that’s a different story.

I’m pretty sure in one of the Overbridge videos, I think it’s Dataline talking to Cuckoo, Dataline says that they were able to implement the overbridge stream running through the filters and FX. If that’s true it means OSC stage audio input. Not necessarily from the external analog audio inputs but at least over Overbridge and USB. Can the Analog audio inputs hit a A/D stage internally to turn it into a sampler? Who knows, and would they implement if if it could?