2 questions before buying (attack & loop)

Hello. I have a few questions about this unit. I am considering buying one in the near future.

1/ It has no attack. Does this mean that it clicks constantly? Because if the start point isnt at zero db, and especially if the low pass filter is engaged, I assume the sampler generates a little click. And if it doesnt, it means there is a hidden fixed attack built in, correct?

2/ Is the loop region linked to the start point? Say that if I loop a little part, if I move the start point, does it move the loop points too relative to the start point? (Move start point forwards and backwards)

https://loopopmusic.com/model-samples-vs-digitakt-10-performance-tips-hacks

Watch loopops review

Seen it while ago. Its old review. No sample locking etc.
Also does not really answer the clicking question. I have read the manual and Im aware of the LFO -> DIST setup to get an extra envelope. So you can remove potential clicks by sacrificing the only LFO. Which is not something I’m interested in TBH.
In my experience, a sampler without any type of soft attack / auto smoother = instant click fest.
So but I havent read any complains about unwanted clicks. Leaves us with a hidden attack implemented. If this is like 10 ms on each sample, that would be terrible

…no…of course all samples click constantly…that’s no bug…it’s a full fledged feature… :wink:

…go and grab it…
it’s a no brainer when it comes to low price segment sample groove boxes…
no need to hesitate, really…
and in case u’ve never seen a swedish stepsequencer in action…well, then it will blow ur mind anyways…even if all samples would really click and could not have their individual attack ramps…

Straight forward questions deserve straight forward answers.

The click would depend on your sample.
It is simply playing back a sample. With no attack parameter, it plays what is there. Think of it like playing an audio clip in Ableton Live, where the decay is more like a fade out.

You can fake a slow attack with LFO on filter or level.

It is indeed.

You only get whole integers to work with so Digitakt style granular is not as much in the cards in MS.
But there is fun to be had when combing the loop / end and start point with ctrl-all tricks.

I hope this answers your questions.

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I had the Octatrack for a while. The step sequencer indeed is killer.

I’m afraid I don’t like clicks that much… :confused:

I do drums on my computer and would use this for field recording shenanigans as well as melodic stuff by putting a single note on every track. 6 notes with pitch and sample locking is plenty. I probably never use it as a drumcomputer

It will depend on the start point of a sample.
To avoid clicks, you gotta find a zero db point when adjusting the start point. So it mostly depends on where the start point is located.
But I’ve seen pkenty of video’s and I’ve never heard it clicking. So I assume there is a hidden soft attack (1 - 2ms ?) ?

It looks like a perfect unit. The reverb sounds excellent which is very rare for a hardware sampler. But the lack of attack phase is bit of a show stopper really

There are batch processors that will crop a sample to the zero crossing.
I use Myriad, which has moved between developer ownership over the years (Formerly called Sample Manager). I’m sure others exist.

I also trim and/or fade any unwanted stuff at the end, and I do this to keep my samples concise so that I get the most out of the 64MB project ram and 1GB +Drive. A nice side effect is always having a start point at the zero crossing.

It only stops you if you want it to. As I mentioned before there are many ways around it. The LFO has an envelope shape option as well.

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