Issue with sampling

Nice, glad you got it sorted…
Always good to start from a fresh clean state when trying things for the first time so there’s no surprises…
After you get the hang of everything you can incorporate into one project…
Happy :elot:ing!

It is possible that a project can become corrupted. It’s rare, but it can happen once in a while.

I had a project, where the OT kept sending midi out on a channel, which was not even activated to do so (as per settings shown in the display). It was frustrating. It took me some time to find out, what the heck made this one external instrument do anything at all, but I couldn’t change the settings to stop it. Creating a new clean project and starting over did it finally.

My experience is that, if the OT acts really strange and weird and even the manual tells us that we should have done everything right, the reason might be a corrupted project. I believe, my issue was generated by switching the OT off without having saved my project manually before and the automatic saving hadn’t got everything right. Now I save tracks, patterns, projects manually from time to time and (knock on wood) since then didn’t run in such problems again :wink:

Sorry to correct you, but on OT you just have to save Projects (and Parts if you use them).

To be more precise, there is a saved state, and a work state, which is autosaved. When you use Reload, the saved state is reloaded. Those 2 states are 2 different files on the card.

I’ve never had a corrupted project issue.

One thing to now, when you use SAVE TO NEW, is that it’s better to SAVE just after, because no save state is created, so you can’t reload.

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Yep … you are right, I could have been more precise. I only wanted to point out that saving our work manually might be a good idea :wink:

If you never had a corrupted project, great, but this is no proof that it doesn’t happen.

I had such a problem with the AK too, dropped a ticket, and had an excellent support from the outstanding friendly and helpful Elektron engineers … it just happens and fortunately it’s quite rare … and … I wasn’t the only one at this time. I got the tip, to save out my “projects” from time to time, because, if the content get’s corrupted at (for example) switch off, I might not be able to recover correctly … :wink: One side problem with my AK issue was that saving the project out to a new project, copied the error too. Saving helped me with the AK and the OT … :wink:

@Gina … don’t worry about this discussion of corrupted projects … all my Elektron devices are great and reliable instruments, which never have let me down … :wink:

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I don’t think this was a corrupted project just some settings or trigs hiding somewhere, probably could have just cleared pattern and maybe part but I thought new project would be the shurest…

This kind of thing is easy to happen in the first few days with OT, much more likely just some changes made in the project that are easy to loose track of while learning, than it actually being corrupted…

I’ve never had project go bad myself, I understand Soundriders concern but don’t want Gina to have extra worries… OT is for the most part quite stable or we’d hear about it a lot more… :panda:

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The method of sampling being used here isn’t clear to me (sample trigs, quantized, manual), but @Allerian had a great post describing an extremely simple set of steps to use for manual recording: https://www.elektronauts.com/t/shortest-number-of-steps-to-record-a-one-shot/5131/3

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Thank you! I will save this one,

I’m not sure of what happened, but I can confirm that this incident affected my perception of the machine; I still like it, the thing is that one gravitates to hardware, mostly in order to escape the unpredictable behavior that computers may have. I hope I figure out very soon what happen, in the mean time, this feeling will be lurking, while I keep enjoying making music in the my Octatrack.

Cheers!

I decided to get into the Octatrack last week while watching Moderat performing in New York. The whole show was being run by five computers, the system crashed 2 times, leaving the audience cold, and the artist embarrassed. The show was amazing, mesmerizing visuals and sync with music, but it could have been a lot better, it is still memorable but the accident are part of the memory. I hope the Octatrack proves to be the solid machine I want it to be.

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The OT is really techy and operates in a very scientific logical way, it’s not that straight forward, and not exactly user friendly. Most of the problems that occur using the OT have to do with not fully understanding the way it operates. It takes quite some time to get the hang of, and you will get stumped time to time about what is happening.
Good news is once you figure out each roadblock you come to, the door opens up again and you never have to figure that part out again. Sometimes a different approach is required than one would expect, but you can still get the results your after. You may find its not the device for you, but if your willing to put up with it until it starts to click, I assure you you will be impressed with the results.
As far as reliability, after defining a suitable project for my needs, and learning certain things to avoid, my OT has been steady as a rock and I totally trust it for playing live…
I suggest giving it some time and don’t get bogged down, once you feel the magic that is OT, it starts to outweigh its quirks… :panda:

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Hi. Me too !
The main problem for me with Octatrack, is to find a workflow, because there are so many crazy possibilities as a looper, multifx, multitrack, sampler…
I’d need an Octatrack for each category ! :smile:
But I don’t play serious live for the moment, and I don’t care about my workflow, sound tricks/research make me happy.

Once you understood well Ot philosophy, you will have to make choices for your workflow.
Think about your real needs. :wink:

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stay patient. while imo it is almost impossible to master the ot completely, it’s not that complicated to get the things down you really need and want it to do. And you can control a full reliable live performance from it for sure.
And for me it’s more intuitive and fun live compared to a laptop plus midi controller.

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@Gina

You’ve received a lot of good advice and good tech support so far in this thread, so I will just echo what @unifono said and offer a bit of my own advice.

First, be patient. The Octatrack is an incredibly complicated machine that rewards, and frankly, requires, diligence and repetition.

Second, figure out what basic tasks you want to learn to accomplish and focus on those to start with. Don’t try to learn everything at once or you will end up incredibly frustrated. You’ve started well – learn to sample something, whether through trigs or manually. It seems crazy to say that you have to learn how to sample with the Octatrack, given that that IS what it is first and foremost, but it’s not straightforward. At all. That being said, once you’ve mastered the basics, including saving those samples! :), you’ll be on your way.

But first things first: wiggle your big toe.

(Also, it shouldn’t matter, but it does (let’s be honest): it’s nice to see another woman on the board. :sunny:)

M

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OT (offtopic)

Great to see you here, papertiger!! Hope all is well :slight_smile:

I can’t tell for sure, but I guess the problems at the show could have been caused by the computers. My experience with hardware and Elektron boxes in particularl is … they are much more reliable then computers. I can’t remember one single issue, where one of my three Elektron boxes crashed or went crazy … rock solid … also w.r.t. timing and synchronisation.

I wouldn’t call the OT complicated. It’s a machine with many features and options and this makes it complex. There is good advise given here already to take time,learn, and follow step after step. Begin with the feature you want most, learn it, practise it, then continue to the next. It could be also a good idea, to have the manual around. When I got stucked for more then 15 minutes, I had a look in the manual and this saved me hours of frustration :wink: … TBH … after having had some frustration by not following just this advice :wink:

I have one more last question related to your advice. As you know I created another project, and I think when doing it I lost track of the Presets now is there anyway to fix that? or should I mount a new set and do it in the Presets folder in order to have access to those sounds?

I hope this makes sense,

Thank you in advance for your advice.

-Gina.

What do you mean by that ?
In Preset folder, there’s a AUDIO folder were samples are recorded.
There’s no need to create another set.

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Well, there’s the presets project which has a bank full of demo tracks loaded with sounds, and then there’s the factory samples.
If you want you can load the presets project again and add to it…
If you just want the factory samples you need to load them to flex or static sample slots using the file browser, pg. 29 of the manual…
I suggest only working in one set, that way you will always have access to all of your samples, there’s no need for another set unless you start getting really complex. All that is needed is different projects within one set until you find a reason to have two…

If you do load the presets project, be aware that if you made any changes to it before they will still be there. There are two project states, the active one, and the saved version. This allows you to make changes which are recalled after power off for the bank your working on. When you load a project it loads the active state, which contains changes you’ve made. To get to the saved state you will need to load presets project and then perform a reload project. This may seem weird right now but it is actually very useful…

This applies to all projects, when you create a new project it is always a good idea to save project right after. If you do not save right after you are working with the active project state and don’t have a saved state to fall back on. You can think of the saved state more as a restore point to get back to…

Hope that helps more than confuse!
I’m off for the day but @sezare56 is always a good OT resource and there’s many other helpful nauts as well…
Take care… :monkey_face:

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I think I lost track of them when I chose “CREATE EMPTY PROJECT” instead of Presets

Thank you, It looks my Factory Samples are not there, I check the instructions in page 29, and all I get after pressing the right arrow, are the three samples I have created so far.

I will contact support, my machine I basically in mint condition, I bought from a frustrated guy, (he was very vocal about it :slight_smile: ) I will contact support and see if I can get those factory samples!

Enjoy your day off!

Thank you,

-Gina.