New wavetable synth looks and sounds awesome.
Lots of Serum influences
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Ableton team should focus on workflow enhancement and effects. Thatās what a DAW should mostly provide. I would prefer if they cut the price and stop giving us new instruments, which people donāt really need.
I mean wavetable synths have been around for a while with Massive and Serum.
Users have been asking for major improvements in the mixing workflow, arrangement view (comps), and the piano roll. I donāt know why they waste their time on a new wavetable synth. What have theyāve been doing these past 5 years ?
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Every daw has pros and cons.
Havenāt tried Live 10 yet, donāt feel the need just yet as happy with live 9 suite.
Serum cost nearly $200 and the wavetable synth looks similar so pretty sweet add on I reckon. If I didnāt have Serum I would be pretty keen to upgrade to Live 10 for this synth alone.
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Thatās funny, I had a Push 1 and never really vibed with it. Felt like a slow and awkward layer of abstraction. Great for drum racks but for the rest Iām probably just too used to keyboard and mouse.
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To tell the truth I still need a keyboard for much of the time and thatās where my KK49 MK2 comes in. But I really do find it a blast with push on one side and a keyboard on the other. And Iāve had countless fun sessions with mates far less clued up on computer music playing āpass the pushā building up songs a bit at a time.
If NI builds a Bitwig template that replicates the features they have with KK and Live then that may turn my head enough though.
My ideal controller would be a MPE push. Itās the big thing Bitwig has over Live for me. You could also actually replicate multiple track fader action on that sort of surface too (for example).
same hereā¦ never really flowed. maybe its different with push 2 as its easier to see whats going on . only thing i liked is the p_lock feature for drums. almost like on a elektron box. but i always found some new problems and missing features every time i tried to use it.
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This is the thing about Elektron machines - the actual physical buttons - while in some ways they actually feel cheap, the plasticky type feel is quite disconcerting the first time you touch them, but then it all makes a world of sense. You donāt āpressā Elektron buttons so much as you tap them, itās an amazing balance between something like a touch screen and a physical button. The buttons on Push you very much have to press, and I know it sounds like a small thing, but itās that really light-to-the-touch tactility Elektron employ that I think actually really speeds things up. You tap around. But with Push - aside from the pads, everything is a press as far as navigation is concerned. I think if Ableton can try and embrace this tap-style interactivity, not neccesarily the same plastic button consistency as Elektron, but maybe making slightly raised touch capacitive buttons for Push, I would rekn it would take the device an insane ways further for speeding up its workflow.
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Good point. Its a some kind of a sexual/fetish thing I guess. I never thought I would ever get an Octatrack and make music on this not to mention Midi sequencing as I was devoted to Logic and plug ins. But I have to say, that its quite an opposite. The physical touch is very important and I agree - with Push, you have to press those buttons hard and for me it looses the flow and the instance of creativity you get with Elektron. Push is more what PC is to Mac users. I canceled my Live 10 upgrade and like the workflow with my Elektron pieces. On the other hand, more complex and less loopy compositions - for that the Logic/Live is much more suitable. To be able to see 6min composition in a graphic way is a must.
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I just tried recording midi using my continuum and it is indeed a pain for any MPE device. I guess theyāre market does not contemplate people using MPE devicesā¦
Well MPE just received itās āofficial specificationā (whatever that actually means) so this could result in Ableton now feeling able to implement properly. Wouldnāt hold your breath though. NI need to get their finger out on it too.
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It would be nice if aftertouch came to Maschine but thatās neither here nor there.
I canāt wait for MPE in Kontakt though.
I think there are some Reaktor 6 utilities I can use to get my linnstrument running.
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Yeah MPE users is really a Niche, therefore I donāt understand ā¦ Everything that advances technologically on the playability, the feeling should be carried loud and clear by all ā¦
I hope things evolve the good way on MPEā¦ 
itās so nice !
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@J0n35y I installed the public beta early last week and itās been smooth sailing the entire time.
@nfim , I didnāt really like Push 1 all that much, Push 2 is kind of a different beast though. The screen update and pad changes alone made it feel much better.
@HotLoveDrama The Ableton 10 update feels like they are focusing on the workflow. Nested groups, labelled IO, Multi Midi Clip Editing to name a few. Thereās quite a bit in the release notes, I attached a PDF copy if anyone wantās to review it.
Live 10.pdf (90.7 KB)
I should add that was the release notes posted 8 months ago. Since then there have been a stack of release notes with each new beta version (Iām not sure if there is a comprehensive list yet). Signing up for the public beta is quick and easy, and the beta installs alongside the version installed on your system so if things were to break, you can just reopen your old version.
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Itās release 10. Itās the release candidate probably so they want to make sure nothing crashes at the last minute. So far so good for me. I canāt wait for that sample library my suite is coming with.
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Are there going to be extra features on the official release that werenāt included in the Beta? I just requested to cancel my pre-order today as, mainly, the new step sequencer didnāt work as well as I had hoped(tried to use the pads on push- I just canāt stand trying to find notes on that thing). The wavetable was cool, but not cool enough to keep. Echo was cool, but I donāt really see myself using it. Iām just going to miss the drum bus and capture, really- and maybe the max update(though, I just donāt have the time in the foreseeable future to learn/use that)
Also- since Iām buying the Digitone, I needed to limit my spending
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Did they already charge when the order was placed? Because I donāt feel comfortable spending $930 in so short a timeframe. It would be worth spending the ~$70 to wait until there is something that actually suits me as a means to curb superfluous spending.
Though, if Ableton wanted to sweeten the pot and offer the update for less than $230, Iād certainly invest in it.
Otherwise- Iāll wait and spend the money when I know the money will be well spent.
Eh- unless you can adapt the sequencer to work with a keyboard opposed to exclusively on the Push- Iām not gonna risk cancelling afterwards(and I already put the DN on my credit card)
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I hypothesize that the new OB for the midi capable devices might eliminate any need for the Ableton Step Sequencer. 12 chord capable midi tracks+12 onboard sound files. Should be solid enough
You can cancel the pre-order, just email them itās no problems
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Just upgraded from 9 suite to 10 suite.
Thought I would take advantage of current 20% off deal before the official release on the 6th.
Have Push 2 also, and new features look pretty cool
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