Your kicks on the Syntakt

natehorn · 2025-09-05T09:25:03.651Z

I mean it wasn’t a criticism or complaint. I hear lots of great stuff coming from the Syntakt, and there is no ‘one way’ to approach kicks. My opinion isn’t that Syntakt kicks are bad…

Just expressing that personally I find compression to be an important component of kick sound design, for me. I don’t need ‘a shit ton of plugins’, just a compressor

LyingDalai · 2025-09-05T09:32:17.725Z

You can fake it with the Analog bus though, just copy the kick trigs in the bus and plock the envelopes to your taste (possibly add distorsion with a LFO set to once).

Indeed, a compressor would be welcome, though.

natehorn · 2025-09-05T09:35:12.059Z

I didn’t ever not use it on the AR or DT. Pairing the Syntakt with the AH +FX starts to feel very natural - although in an ideal world I’d be bussing the drums seperately.

But yea as I say, it’s not a criticism of the machine or the music people make with it, just something I’d personally wish was there.

jm2c · 2025-09-05T10:07:35.782Z

Something like an EHX Platformer cost a bit over a hundred, if you really need a compressor

Anyhoo, I disagree about kick drums absolutely needing a compressor. That’s a subjective, taste thing. Many people, myself included, can totally manage without compressing everything (AKA “Compression Is For Kids” -argument, as popularized by the late great Bruce Swedien)

natehorn · 2025-09-05T10:40:29.002Z

I’m not sure why you keep trying to belittle the use of compression, personally.

I agree it’s about taste, which is my point, I never claimed drums need compression.

Peace, yea

mishpult · 2025-09-05T11:42:02.642Z

The Punch parameter is compression and distortion

natehorn · 2025-09-05T12:00:23.456Z

I did wonder if this was solved somehow with parameters - that’s dope

Nils · 2025-09-05T13:27:58.276Z

@natehorn A built-in compressor is a returning point in the Syntakt feature request thread. Recently there was an interesting discussion in that thread on how to implement it. I’m no expert but it seems to me it’s got a lot of the components needed to implement it in the analog signal chain, ie using the analog FX track for compression duties.

The discussion starts sround here (it’s a bit on and off as it’s part of a bigger thread):

The Syntakt Feature Request Thread Syntakt

As a drum machine it’s so weird that they left out a compressor, is a digital one really that resource hungry? I don’t get the rational. But if anything, I miss sample playback way more (simple one-shot Rytm style), even just a few slots would be perfect for hi-hats and other percs where the onboard engines just fall short. I’m not going to buy a DT just for that, I don’t need a sampler nor the extra functions. I also really want all my drums in one place. And some extra effects for sauce, choru…

jm2c · 2025-09-05T13:42:45.438Z

Yes, but for some reason I find the punch control doesnt really work the same on the Syntakt as on the Model:Cycles, for example. It seems much more laid back somehow

jm2c · 2025-09-05T13:44:40.768Z

diasgreeing is belittling now? Nowhere did I say that. I am just saying that contrary to the hivemind and youtube, some people actually prefer not to compress their drums all the time.

Anyway, this seems like a touchy subject for you so I will speak of this no more

natehorn · 2025-09-05T13:54:23.279Z

jm2c:

Anyway, this seems like a touchy subject for you

…

jm2c:

But if you cant get a kick from a Syntakt which you can use in a track, you just aint got what it takes

jm2c:

if you absolutely insist on piling on the processing before you are happy with a kick, then go for it

jm2c:

moaning … BS

jm2c:

Compression Is For Kids

I aint the one that’s sensitive about this my dude

Anyway lets keep it on topic, I wasn’t here to argue with anyone.

Flekk · 2025-09-05T22:11:54.067Z

If you get an old digitakt can use it to record/play your kicks and compress the hell out of them there.

You can also use it to sidechain the output from the Syntakt using that kick (using the external inputs on the Digitakt).

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Andreas_R · 2025-09-06T15:57:45.694Z

Syntakt can do a lot different flavors and sampling them give even more texture and styles.

McPitch · 2025-09-06T16:59:54.625Z

That’s my issue with ST/AR. Once you try doing something different than techno, you need x2 amount of money for outboard gear to make it sound good enough for a commercial record. Otherwise, it’s just too dark. So, just use samples, man! With AR I sometimes run the synth kicks through AH or SSL and sample it back. You can do the same on your OT, sampling in through an EQ and compressor.

Weird enough, A4 does much more interesting kicks as it has 2 filters, 2 envelopes, 2 lfos and a noise generator.

Jeanne · 2025-09-06T17:25:12.716Z

McPitch:

you need x2 amount of money for outboard gear to make it sound good enough for a commercial record. Otherwise, it’s just too dark

True*, but that is also what mastering is for, which (today more than ever) can be done in the DAW

*But it is also true for Techno.

Flekk · 2025-09-06T22:24:38.383Z

McPitch:

make it sound good enough for a commercial record

For a commercial record you use a DAW. You’d need a whole studio full of expensive gear to do it with only hardware.

mishpult · 2025-09-07T06:21:19.223Z

That’s such a blanket statement - there are many, many commercial records out there that are recorded in a bedroom with minimal gear. Also “techno” - there isn’t universal techno sound that you need to comply to, the style encourages experimentation and is against the grain by definition.

Flekk · 2025-09-07T07:07:18.078Z

mishpult:

there are many, many commercial records out there that are recorded in a bedroom with minimal gear.

Yep. Recorded/mixed/mastered on laptops that cost about the same as a single Elektron device.

Flekk · 2025-09-07T07:08:52.076Z

mishpult:

Also “techno” - there isn’t universal techno sound that you need to comply to, the style encourages experimentation and is against the grain by definition.

Have you seen any of Jeanne’s work?

mishpult · 2025-09-07T10:54:01.297Z

That’s simply not true, tons of electronic music is made long before laptop and daw exist, without fancy outboard. I have heard Jeanne’s work, yes, but I’m not familiar with the process behind