Yet more Korg goodies

Accent · 2014-09-19T07:39:53.000Z

[quote=“” Muddler""]
I read all 17 pages of the manual today.

Maybe Korg is trying to go green?!
anyway, it’s really not so desirable for me. I hope the sampler brings something decent. One thing I don’t get though; the only mention of MIDI is global settings. How would this work for sixteen parts? There is no midi chart and it seems like the unit is locked in to one channel. Probably great as an Ableton controller but not sure if it would work well for controlling the volca keys per say.
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Maybe because Korg continually seems to design products for instant gratification, and then in the last minute thinks “shit, maybe this needs some sort of midi thing”.
Poor sync and/or missing basic features seems to be Korg’s MO regarding midi. When I was first getting started I had a lot of interest in their products, but the more I learn and consider integrating their gear into my studio, the less I desire because of their obvious negligence in this area. If the new EMX will just respond accurately to clock sync, and not be a headache to receive clock/transport while using its sequencer, I’m interested. I feel like hoping for more is asking too much.

mokomo · 2014-09-19T07:48:54.000Z

""virtual_flannel"":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSrkNIl9L00

There it is! Slava on ESX.

Good vid. He seems to have some serious problems holding down some buttons. Were there quality issues with the old ESX?

G0n35y · 2014-09-19T08:22:44.000Z

""Accent"":

[quote=" Muddler"]I read all 17 pages of the manual today.

Maybe Korg is trying to go green?!
anyway, it’s really not so desirable for me. I hope the sampler brings something decent. One thing I don’t get though; the only mention of MIDI is global settings. How would this work for sixteen parts? There is no midi chart and it seems like the unit is locked in to one channel. Probably great as an Ableton controller but not sure if it would work well for controlling the volca keys per say.

Maybe because Korg continually seems to design products for instant gratification, and then in the last minute thinks “shit, maybe this needs some sort of midi thing”.
Poor sync and/or missing basic features seems to be Korg’s MO regarding midi. When I was first getting started I had a lot of interest in their products, but the more I learn and consider integrating their gear into my studio, the less I desire because of their obvious negligence in this area. If the new EMX will just respond accurately to clock sync, and not be a headache to receive clock/transport while using its sequencer, I’m interested. I feel like hoping for more is asking too much. [/quote]
I always get the impression that while MIDI might not be an “after thought” in terms of the unit and o/s it almost always is with first drafts of the manual. That’s a criticism of most manufacturers though.
Still, the MIDI channel point is a concern. iMS-20 is still locked to one midi channel I think - drives my bonkers at times!
Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

AikiGhost · 2014-09-19T08:29:59.000Z

""mokomo"":

[quote=“virtual_flannel”]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSrkNIl9L00

There it is! Slava on ESX.

Good vid. He seems to have some serious problems holding down some buttons. Were there quality issues with the old ESX?[/quote]
He’s spending a lot of time using his fingers to hold the mute/solo buttons is that what you mean?

PlayRecords · 2014-09-19T08:38:02.000Z

[quote=“” poonti""]
Speaking of all the new Korgs, what do you guys think of this?

http://www.korg.com/us/products/effects/sdd3000_pedal/
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It got a good review in SOS. I never read it all, but it’s basically saying the units not cheap but worth it as a high quality piece. Hopefully the other stuff will have a similar quality build but doubtful as I think the delay unit costs more than the groovebox’s.

Here’s a demo with a synth - http://youtu.be/Y4O_mCxC96A

mokomo · 2014-09-19T08:44:03.000Z

""AikiGhost"":

He’s spending a lot of time using his fingers to hold the mute/solo buttons is that what you mean?

ah, it looked like he was having to dig his finger deep into the button to make it work at times, with a pretty pissed off look now and again as he pressed harder and harder, like it wasn’t working. .
not sure I am mad about the new spec machines but it is too early to tell, but the old ones have always interested me and slava certainly makes them look eminently performable.
the new look reminds me a little of my first sampler way way back

Accent · 2014-09-19T09:12:35.000Z

""J0n35y"":

[quote=“Accent”][quote=" Muddler"]I read all 17 pages of the manual today.

Maybe Korg is trying to go green?!
anyway, it’s really not so desirable for me. I hope the sampler brings something decent. One thing I don’t get though; the only mention of MIDI is global settings. How would this work for sixteen parts? There is no midi chart and it seems like the unit is locked in to one channel. Probably great as an Ableton controller but not sure if it would work well for controlling the volca keys per say.

Maybe because Korg continually seems to design products for instant gratification, and then in the last minute thinks “shit, maybe this needs some sort of midi thing”.
Poor sync and/or missing basic features seems to be Korg’s MO regarding midi. When I was first getting started I had a lot of interest in their products, but the more I learn and consider integrating their gear into my studio, the less I desire because of their obvious negligence in this area. If the new EMX will just respond accurately to clock sync, and not be a headache to receive clock/transport while using its sequencer, I’m interested. I feel like hoping for more is asking too much. [/quote]
I always get the impression that while MIDI might not be an “after thought” in terms of the unit and o/s it almost always is with first drafts of the manual. That’s a criticism of most manufacturers though.
Still, the MIDI channel point is a concern. iMS-20 is still locked to one midi channel I think - drives my bonkers at times!
Guess we’ll find out soon enough.[/quote]
Since you brought up an iOS product from Korg, that perfectly illustrates my frustration with their approach to midi. In 2014, it is ridiculous to be so limited with a product developed within the last 5 years. I can accept not being able to automate every parameter by CC, but being unable to set a channel of my choice makes me wonder if they gave even a slight consideration to those who would use their products in a more professional way.

Muddler · 2014-09-19T10:04:46.000Z

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seaborg · 2014-09-21T02:24:11.000Z

Sorry if this has been mentioned but wondering with the new electribe sampler is pattern/scene transfer to ableton two way? or only one way?. Like can you create patterns on ableton and transfer to electribe?; that would be awesome!
Cheers

AikiGhost · 2014-09-21T18:49:49.000Z

""seaborg"":

Sorry if this has been mentioned but wondering with the new electribe sampler is pattern/scene transfer to ableton two way? or only one way?. Like can you create patterns on ableton and transfer to electribe?; that would be awesome!
Cheers

One way I believe, though the sampler will take wav loops and auto chop them so you can export loops from any source to the sampler.

AikiGhost · 2014-09-21T18:50:52.000Z

Ok Mistabishi is a mediocre presenter and tech demo guy but the ESX2 does sound pretty sweet. Im happy I pre ordered one.

poonti · 2014-09-21T19:33:18.000Z

Is this the synth or the sampler? He keeps mentioning the King Korg engine, which means it’s the synth, so EMX2 rather than ESX2 right? Anyway, it does sound pretty good and I’m sure the UI is going to be easy/peasy to get along with

Accent · 2014-09-21T19:35:06.000Z

I really just want to see a video of Super Hans making a beat with it from the ground up using both hands, instead of talking and cradling the thing while playing presets. It sounds pretty good so far, but I’m not really getting enough information to tell me what it’s like to work with or how detailed you can get with designing sounds.

AikiGhost · 2014-09-21T20:49:41.000Z

""poonti"":

Is this the synth or the sampler? He keeps mentioning the King Korg engine, which means it’s the synth, so EMX2 rather than ESX2 right? Anyway, it does sound pretty good and I’m sure the UI is going to be easy/peasy to get along with

Yep its the synth with the king korg engine, the sampler will come along about a month later apparently.

sinsyn · 2014-09-22T09:35:19.000Z

Sounds so much better than i expected
Does that Midi chart indicate it sends midi note on and off on all 16 tracks like alot are hopeing or am i reading it wrong.
Likeing these alot im in the market for a sampler so if this works out to be 2nd best in the market i will take silver at that price lol
sync in and out will be very handy now ive jumped into eurorack.
Love elektron love korg the more ya love the better

AikiGhost · 2014-09-22T15:57:39.000Z

""sinsyn"":

Sounds so much better than i expected

Does that Midi chart indicate it sends midi note on and off on all 16 tracks like alot are hopeing or am i reading it wrong.

Yep it has midi out control on all 16 channels.

here is the manual —

Here you go.

http://i.korg.com/uploads/Support/US...ers_Manual.pdf

From page 16 “troubleshooting” I quote…

“I can’t control MIDI!
□ Have you correctly connected the MIDI cable?
If you play this system from an external device:
□ Have you correctly set the MIDI channel in global mode? (→
p.14)
If you play an external device from this system:
□ Have you set the same MIDI channel for the receiving device
and for this system?”

Page 65 is a full midi implementation chart.

It includes velocity on and off as well as various cc’s for the knobs.

CC midi out list:

Bank Select (MSB, LSB)
Level
Pan
Resonance
EG Delay/Release, EG Attack
Cutoff
Oscillator Pitch, Oscillator Glide, Oscillator Edit
Filter EG Int
Modulation Depth, Modulation Speed
Insert Fx Edit
TouchPad X, TouchPad Y
IFX On
MFX Send
TouchPad On/Off

Muddler · 2014-09-22T19:09:02.000Z

I could be wrong, but what I think sinsyn means is will it send to all sixteen channels simultaneously? Ie track one = midi channel one, 2=2, etc…
If not, what I don’t understand would be how you avoid a midi train wreck like you have a mono synth or a four voice synth and you want to control both internally and externally. Do you understand what I’m saying? Can’t explain so well
Could it be global midi per track or at least midi send on one track only?

sinsyn · 2014-09-22T20:54:33.000Z

Cool so it will sequence like i hoped ,cant remember the old midi spec on the last electribes its been a while but that list looks long wondering if its improved ?.
If that random midi step thing transmits midi out that would be cool also the last step feature is that basicly another way of saying it can do polyrhythms? the last two i know are improvements on the old midi spec

Sinner6 · 2014-09-23T01:39:27.000Z

The ESX gave you 2 full voices (the synth parts), and a third was the drum channel as I recall it.

AikiGhost · 2014-09-23T08:17:41.000Z

""Sinner6"":

The ESX gave you 2 full voices (the synth parts), and a third was the drum channel as I recall it.

Yep. The EMX did 6 midi channels out (5 synth & 1 drums).

Both the new machines can both send and receive all 16 midi channels, so it can easily become the hub of a gear setup.