Are you talking about note repeat? It can be turned off.

No, I think he’s talking about the effect you get when repeating the same sample in a quick succession. To combat this, instruments could implement round robin samples or subtle random. changes in pitch, filter, etc.
Which would be nice. I think I did hear some RR but not on every instrument and not subtle.

The fgdp could be really nice with a bit of firmware updates. Could approach Akai Force the way Nick Trikakis used to use it. But at a third of the price, built in battery and speaker.

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The manual talks about a humanize setting to define the amount of variation when pressing the same pad repeatedly.

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No, just during some of the normal demos, you can hear it’s the same one shot, so sounds a bit unnatural (to my ears). I was hoping it would be a bit more advanced than older drum machines (cycle through different samples per dynamic layer). I’ll still check out more demos, perhaps the humanize function does something to remedy this.

I’m surprised they didn’t turn that on in the demos.

Looks super tempting as a standalone practicing tool that benefits from being portable with a built-in battery.

I wonder how long the battery lasts and how the pads feel…might get one just to practice in the park without worrying about taking my SP or MPC Live. I dig the little speaker too, sure it wonā€˜t sound geeat, but quite nice to have it regardless.

Received my 50 yesterday. Only had half hour to play on it, but first impressions are that’s it’s a well made piece of kit. Solid enough with a half decent weight.
The pads are solid and responsive, they remind me a bit of the old MPC (1k / 2k) sort of feel.
Speaker is pretty decent (MPC live 2 kind of quality)
I’ll update when I get some proper time with it.

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I got the 30 and i am impressed by this device. I am just getting into finger drumming so i have no serious experience, but the pads feel great, and the settings are very extensive. Way more control over the pads compared to the sp404mk2 for example. The included sounds are not the greatest, but since this thing is usable as a controller thats not a problem for me.
The only downside for now is menu navigation on the 30. You have no screen so you need to press the settings button x times (up to 60+, but holding is supported) to navigate the menu. A voice will read the current menu category and the parameters when changing them via the arrow buttons.

If you guys are interested check the settings to get an impression of its capabilities: FGDP-30 User Guide

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Got the 50 for 299 € from Thomann and really like it. Great practice tool and instruments. I like the acoustic drum kits plus it works out of the box with ableton drum racks. Practicing with the session is also quite nice. I have never been a talented finger drummer on grid controllers but this one feels better and is a nice addition for my alesis sampling pad and my e-drum set.
My only downside: I don’t like internal batteries…

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Congratulations to the first owners! :slight_smile: Have you tried this ā€œHumanizeā€ setting?

Yamaha’s playlist of drumming lessons - specific to FGDP

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I dunno about this. For hardly much more money you can buy a Yamaha DTX multi 12 - whichhas more functionality, and can also be played by hand.

Also looking at the screen and menu system on this, it’s scandalous for Yamaha to release that in 2023. That alone tells you they don’t take the customers seriously with this product.

They could for example have used this product as a test bed to develop a new real step change interface for a next generation DTX Multi 12. But they are not really doing that. So this comes off to me as some sort of Yamaha following the Roland formula of releasing cash cow ā€œminiā€ synths that are rehashes of existing ones.

From a user and from a buyer point of view, these two products are basically unrelated.

And if finger drumming becomes more popular thanks to these affordable and playable devices, then yay finger drumming. :slight_smile:

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I can’t believe it, the touch sensitivity is totally there. Nothing’s ever come close to competing with my Zendrums before. I can play stroke rolls with fingers 2-3 and and fingers 3-4 piano-style trills so that you don’t have to devote two hands to simply playing a roll. Pad sensitivity makes the pinky is usable. Most importantly, it has real dynamic range, which you can’t tell for sure from the demos.

The drawback is the pad size, which was expected. Actually, I can trill all but the two small tom pads, and even those kind of. But the compactness makes it so that I can’t do things I’d do on a Zendrum. It’s not just the Zendrum’s larger triggers, but their being circular lets you rotate your hands as needed to do what you want. The FGDP’s rectangular pads have optimal angles for playing without missing the sweet spot. That limitation could be overcome by getting a second FGDP (!) and rotating them so that your hands cover the entire thing at a comfortable angle. The current design allows some hand rotation for comfort by elongating those drum and snare triggers so much, so maybe it’s something I can get used to over time, though I think I’ll always need the larger Zendrum layout for more intricate percussion lines.

The downside with Zendrum is the ancient design means it does only one thing (MIDI Note On followed by uncontrollable Note Off with full range dynamics, but no aftertouch), though it does that really well with zero cross talk. No built-in kit patches, of course, so that Zendrum is always a 2-piece rig, and I’m always questing for a quality percussion sound module to untether me from the computer. This FGDP, by the way, has no crosstalk either, and I bet its surprising weight has something to do with keeping the pads isolated from the strike vibrations. The weight also makes it stable enough to play in your lap (but resting on two legs, not one or else it will wobble), which was another welcome surprise because I really don’t like tabletop. And then you get all the digital control and functionalities, aftertouch, fast kit changes, etc. Aftertouch is great for automated, yet humanized, velocity sensitive stroke rolls (no machine gunning). I set every pad to repeat at 1/32. All with a modern, fast UI, as opposed to the Zendrum’s 7-segment LED and the elaborate moves you have to make for simple changes (like patch change) that require 10 seconds of physical movement and more.

FGDP’s sounds are passable. By that I mean fun to play, and with a good variety, but not the professional sound of something like Superior Drummer, whose velocity layers animate it so much more. I’ll eventually try FGDP as a controller for SD, but that’s not what I bought the FGDP for.

I’m miffed about the battery being non-user replaceable. I hope someone posts an online hack for how to do that. Actually, I didn’t know it was even battery-powered when I placed the order. This is one device that I might actually use untethered sometimes due to the passable built-in speaker.

ADDED: It’s freakin great with Superior Drummer. Wonderful, natural finger response at the default ā€œnormalā€ velocity curve. Again, I can’t believe it. As soon as I plugged the USB into the laptop, though, the FGDP’s audio out started making a lot of noise on my mixer. That’s not unexpected, but I don’t have a lot of use for the audio out because, as @DimensionsTomorrow points out, once you go drum plugin, you never go back. I can go with the built-in speaker for computerless practicing and can always plug in earphones to get a better sound on the couch.

I’d seriously consider getting a second one to devote one per hand if I could somehow clamp them side-by-side and set that thing on my lap. If anyone can think of a practical solution that would allow access to the side buttons of the unit on the right, that would be useful. Otherwise, I don’t see how you could have two on your lap without wobbling.

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Do you know if it is class compliant? I think :thinking:
For use with a Chromebook and standard drums machine as a controller

If I got one, this is what I’d try

good to hear, I bet changing out the battery is pretty painless compared to like an apple product but more work than something designed to be changed out by users. ifix it is surprisingly good about making guides covering all sorts of stuff so I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a guide eventually if this proves to be a hit for yamaha.

Yeah it’s USB rechargeable battery. Lack of easy user replacement of said battery seems to be par for the course. Not excusing Yamaha - same issue on various other products I have like the OP-1, phone, Snark tuner, etc.

Thanks for the review blipson

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I used to have a Roland Octapad SPD-30, which I sold when I moved to a new place, and the situation sounds kind of similar. It was really fun to play, but the sounds eventually didn’t cut it for me. I wonder how much of an improvement the Yamaha is over those?

Once I got Addictive Drums 2, I got so spoiled that I can’t go back to less realistic drum sounds. AD2 isn’t even considered among the most realistic, but it’s sort of the sweet spot for me, as I like the kits and the interface, and they sound good in a mix (for the kind of music I do).

I would love something like the Yamaha in order to be away from the computer, but after my SPD experience I know the sounds have to be right.

Well, yes, but to put things into perspective, the cheapest Addictive Drums 2 license costs €159, which is 80% of the FGDP-30 price and half of the FGDP-50 price (someone needs to come up with memorable nicknames for these products).

Yamaha does have top quality drum sounds in some hard drive :wink: so perhaps there is a better variant in their roadmap, either as an upgrade, paid premium pack, more expensive device product… Or, who knows, maybe someone else will take the inspiration and launch the premium product. I guess all this will depend on how well these two first products sell.

As someone who got a second-hand Maschine MK3 a year ago basically as a high quality controller for finger drumming, I find these devices very interesting, as casual standalone on the go and also (apparently) as very good pad controllers.