Why No Polyrhythms? [Update : added OS 1.11]

[MGFM]

Any idea why the sequencer on this or the Tone can’t do per-track scaling? I guess it must be hard to pull off but curious why, the Polyend Seq had to rewrite a bunch of stuff to support this, must be a very technical reason.

[Ryan]

If I had to guess, I’d guess there’s some interference with OB- I don’t know why it would, though- but every groovebox between the OT and MS had OB but no per scaling

[digimatt]

I hope not, OB was supposed to be a take it or leave it addition to the Digitakt not something standing in the way of its main purpose, a hardware performance machine.

[Ryan]

Track scaling is not yet it’s main purpose of the machine

[MGFM]

is it the main purpose of the Model: Samples?

[Ryan]

It’s a feature

[muied_lumens]

For me, track scaling is the number one wanted feature. It would be a great thing to use when improvising live.

[MGFM]

agree

[Silenus]

definitely a must have feature for the digitakt sequencing.

[Open_Mike]

Just FYI the OT/M:S tempo multiplier/trackscale only allow for triplets as far as polyrhythms (polymeter? Still don’t understand the difference)…

Options are 1/8X, 1/4X, 1/2X, 3/4X, 1X, 3/2X and 2X…

Way more interesting poly(rhythm/meter?) can be made by setting different individual track length and high master pattern lenght, which DT can do…

Maybe the 3/4X and 3/2X (both triplets) combined with different track length opens up some possibilities? I don’t know, this stuff confuses me…

[muied_lumens]

Polymeter is what’s already in there with different track lengths. Polyrythm, strictly speaking, is 3 beats against 4, for example, and you can achieve that with scaling. X beats in the time that Y beats takes to finish.

More interesting for live performance is the ability to drop a track to half time, instead of having to do it on all the tracks at once, including midi tracks. There are times when the mix becomes a bit busy, and it’s a neat way to thin it out a bit. As an example.

[Munro]

Because OT.

[Open_Mike]

Model:Samples has it too…
And there’s this:

Questions from Elektronauts

Q: “More generally, would you admit that there are some features that you don’t implement in some machines so it doesn’t go too much in some other machines’ territories?”

A: No, we actually do not work like that, and I’m happy for that. I always wonder where this idea is coming from, because or machines have a lot of overlap! It would be strange if a synth has all the features of a drum machine and vice versa. The right features for the right instrument.

[Nokulture]

I don’t know if I understand… but sure you can do per-track scaling with digitakt.
FUNC+PAGE -> open scale menu -> FUNC+YES -> open per track scale menu.

[Munro]

That’s different. We’re talking about x2 /3 tempo scaling per track.

[jefones]

When you do this on the dt the scaling is still per pattern. It’s a little confusing but the graphic does indicate that it’s per pattern.

[Nokulture]

Not in my Digitakt, unless. I can scale each track. Just you must set the “master” scale as longer as the longer of your track. I mean, if you set T1 to 16 and T2 to 24 and the master is a 16, digitakt will play all to 16, otherwise you set as master 24 and it will play T1 to 16 and T2 to 24.

[Nokulture]

OK, that’s true, you can only set the scale rate on master. But anyway, you can set differents longer of each track to simulate the same effect.

[jefones]

That’s number of steps, not track scale.

[Nokulture]

Yes, sorry you’re right.