Just get a VST sampler? You already have the Elektron sequencer with OB, I fail to see what sample mangling options from a physical box would bring to the table when you can use a VST sampler to mangle then load them up to the DT.
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This what I do. Lack of time stretching or slicing has never been an issue for me, partly because I seldom need it, but when I do I just throw the sound in to Ableton’s Sampler and map the MIDI channel on my Digitakt. Takes about 30 seconds.
That said I get wanting to do it all in one box/having dedicated knobs etc. It’s the same reason I don’t use soft synths (not to mention CPU usage and sound quality). It just depends on whether you use that function enough to warrant a dedicated piece of hardware for it.
Don’t get me wrong, a modern Octatrack would be awesome but I just don’t think that simplifying it to fit the DT/DTN shape and concentrating more on OB support would be sensible in any way as then the new sampler would lose what’s actually unique about the OT. You would basically just have a midi controller for a VST sampler.
because i wasnt to spend minimal time in ableton as using simpler is always ending up in Slicing to midi keyboard and making a pattern but i do do that; just saying that if its in box format id go for that as i do prefer the DT as a drumcomputer instead of using the drums on my pc.
How is it a headache?
It’s a headache if you have a track over multiple patterns
and having to adjust the volume on each track on each of the patterns…
Sorry but I think it’s more of a case you haven’t learnt to use kits correctly.
I started and learnt the kits system first, then got the digis later and miss kits,
Maybe that’s why and you started on digis first?
Though they both have some benefits, kits are a more complete system imo
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I was just thinking about this today! As a new RYTM owner, I’ve been seeing both the pros and cons of kits up close. I decided it really comes down to what kind of music you make.
Kits are AMAZING if you like to have a bunch of patterns, each with variations at the sequencer level. There’s lots of power in making many patterns and chaining them up or just live switching between them. You can make 16 variations on a theme and never need to worry about fixing each pattern if your mix is off.
On the other hand, kits are unnecessary overhead if you only use 2-3 patterns per song, and if each pattern makes significant changes to the “kit” (think typical verse-verse-chorus pop structure). If half of your sounds change with the pattern, it’s way easier to just save the “kit” at the pattern level instead of needing to save and track “SomeKit_Verse” and “SomeKit_Chorus”. It would be pretty easy to mess up the save if you were going back and forth between these and forgot to save both before power down.
Curious others workflow, since I’m sorting this all out myself 
(but that’s a topic for another thread)
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I know what you are saying, but with kits you can have both ways.
kit per pattern or kit over multiple patterns, so its simply better to have the option,
i use both…
the only problem with kits is you must remember to save before power down,
which i wish was automatically stored,
but once you forget a couple times you start to remember, i havent lost a kit or messed up a pattern by mistake in a long time
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Can’t argue with this! Even after a week, Kit Save has become second nature.
Ultimately, I’m sold on the big boxes and would love a VA / Wavetable w/ lots-o-voices per track (a la digitone) AND sample layering (a la RYTM). Elektron, make it happen!
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yea totally agree.
I personally don’t find much use for kits with the way I work (octatrack) - generally no more than 2 patterns per tune (usually just 1), lots of modulation n hands on tweaking to make the composition / structure.
but the performance aspect of direct change on AR kits is sick. Introvertmusic uses it loads on his utube n ig vids. so good 
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yea the only issue with kits is forgetting to save / forgetting to move to a new kit, as you say.
that used to get me the whole time back on the A4 mk1 when I was cutting my elektron teeth, so to speak. but tbh It hasn’t bothered me in years now that I think about it.
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Yes. Is elektron seeing this? I wonder if their recent market research hinted at this, or not.
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They will obviously have the sales numbers for every single box they’ve ever made. I’m pretty sure they know what they’re doing there. What seems like a lot of interest might just be a vocal minority on here and it might not play out in cold, hard, real-life numbers.
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So what would OB support actually add to the OT then? If as you say you prefer not to work in Ableton. Just slice, dice and mangle on the OT, record to DAW and thats it.
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Whatever it is a bunch of people will buy it and complain about it while immediately starting a feature request thread lol <3
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In that recent survey there was a question specifically asking what people would like to be able to do with their existing gear in the future, so it would make sense that the most requested things are taken into consideration.
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I don’t mean more streamlined than the Digitakt/ model samples, I mean more powerful than the digitakt/ model samples while still keeping the core workflows of the digitakt/ model samples… basically beefed up model samples or beefed up digitakts
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there is room in the lineup and a viable need for a stereo sampling beatmachine with more ram and more project storage space with deep mangling and sample editing ability with transient detection slicing, and a song mode… that is also absolutely not an Octatrack…
whether they call it a digitakt mk2, a model samples pro, an analog rytm pro or give it a completely different name doesn’t even matter.
put some great pads on it, put a crossfader on the left side of it, I like the idea of 4x4 +xox like the rytm… and I like the idea of individual outs for external processing.
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I would buy this…
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me too without even trying it first… and I’m not the early adapter type
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