The more time I spend making my own music the less time I spend enjoying other people’s music.
Kind of sucks because the MOST IMPORTANT thing in the world to me is music- but it’s a sacrifice I guess I have to make.
I think there are people who can play live set without sampler in setup? My idea is to make live set without sampler and no matter how it sounds on this forum, without elektron equipment.
Tell me, is it even possible or are my ambitions empty?
I understand that I need a sequencer and I haw, but I want to do without OT or MPC.
All my friends DJs and producers, insist on a sampler or a laptop with daw. I just don’t want it. I’m just trying to do a performance and already like a year later, I understand how it hard.
Perhaps this is a stupid idea, please share your experience?
Perhaps you can share artists who play abstract techno live about two hours no daw and no samples and elektron boxes.
Or is this the wrong way and I just wasting my time?
thank you!
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People performed music without samplers, and without Elektrons for years. I’m sure it’s possible. Orbital used to drive their sets from Alesis MMT-8s. Prodigy would use Roland w30. There’s many, many other hardware sequencer options these days. Many people just used 909, 808, 303 and some fx.
I think it would be more effective to identify any problems you are having with the process you have now, and to ask about that, rather than ask the very vague “is it even possible”.
What’s your music like? What instruments/synths/fx/mixer/etc do you want to play? How much variation/improvisation/risk do you want? Are your struggles musical/creative or technical?
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What is the exact reason that you don’t want to use a sampler?
(It’s possible to do without s sampler for sure, but i think it’s a good question to ask 
)
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Don’t listen to dj’s.
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press a key on the macbook and music comes out
Thanks for answer.
Yes, you’re right, that’s how it used to be. But it seems that everyone decided that it should not be like before)
I don’t have specific problems with my equipment. Just as I mentioned above, many insist on using a daw or a sampler in the setup, otherwise my sound will be boring and not modern) Few events, so they tell me.
To date, my equipment consists of
ES-LXR02 (drum synth)
ES-DB01
ES-PicoSystem lll
ES Syntrx
ES-Zen
Moog DFAM
Moog Mother32
Korg MinilogueXD
Korg SQ64
something delay effects
something reverb effects
and while the mixer sucks (saving money for a good one)
I’m trying to make music between northern electronics, polygroup with a pinch of noton.
Loving live from rrose
My main struggle is with myself and the opinions of close people who are stuck in the studios working on perfect production and launching clips in Ableton when playing live (I don’t think it’s bad).
I want to be in the flow, I want to generate almost everything in process. I want each of my sets to sound different, despite the fact that there are already prepared sequences.
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I can’t find a use. I don’t understand why I need it and do I need it at all?!)
I just want to influence what happens, not the results of the recorded sample.
maybe I’m wrong.
maybe I would like to run playbacks, but I don’t think I need OT for this…
You ‘ve got top notch instruments for that. No worries there. So now you’ve gotta do the work to find your flow. This can take a while. It took me 20 years to find a live improv flow I’m happy with it (admittedly I didn’t push it). I suggest you sit down with a small number of instruments and make them your own before expanding. Say the LXR2 and DB01 plus fx boxes.
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Just ignore them. They are not you.
You have lots of nice gear, including many sequencers. I’m sure you can make this work. It might not be “easy”, it might not be obvious, but it’ll be yours and the ways the instruments interact could bring a unique flow to your show. I would start small: what’s the simplest set-up you can use to make the 1-2hrs of music you want? Do you want to perform fixed/semi-fixed tracks, or do you want to improvise?
The lxr-02, db-01, plus one other synth or drum machine and one FX is like a modern 303+909 set-up!
Personally, I wouldn’t take a Syntrx out live except in quite controlled circumstances (I mean… I wouldn’t try to do a techno gig with it, but I do plan to play mine at a noise/ambient/gong-bath type event later this year).
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Asame time, you can send mail, order sneakers on Internet and work in photoshop. yes i knew it, this is better than any groovebox
thanks, this is inspiring.
the only thing that worries me now is that I am 40 years old and I am in Ukraine.
20 years is too long for me) but I agree with you!
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In this case I’d advice: if you don’t know what to use it for don’t use it (for now).
Sampling goes way beyond using a sampler as a play ack device or as a backing track. You can use samplers as a drum machine and manipulate the sound in a lot of ways just like on a regular drum machine or synth. Or use field recordings to find rhythm in the world around you and use a sampler to further process and alter the sound, in the studio and live.
It’s fun, but it’s definitely not something that is mandatory to be able to play live. Use what you have and go from there 
. Maybe in a few months or years you take a look at the world of sampling again and find use for it, or not. It’s all good
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I’m mid-40s and took a 10 year break from music. I did my first solo live show last year. It sucked, but I learned a lot. I’ll do some more. Start by proving wrong those friends who think you can’t make exciting sounds without a laptop.
Agism happens, but the worst thing you can do is believe it yourself. Make your music, feel confident or driven or excited about it, for your own satisfaction first, and only then worry about the other things.
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I completely agree, but sometimes to hard to resist to opinion leaders)
probably the simplest thing I can use is dfam and mother32, but that won’t last even an hour. but i get the gist.
As for syntrx, it seems that I can become a friend. in a year, exactly)
anyway thanks for the support. I knew that there are real guys here.
just a breath of fresh air, thanks for your time.
yes, that’s understandable. but I wanted to understand for myself whether it is possible without a sampler and how it will complicate on process? someone else doing it here? maybe in the future I will get a sampler, but yes, for now I want to rule it out. )
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It’s not more or less difficult. There are so many ways to play live that it’s hard to think if it in those terms.
If you have a drum machine/drum synth, and one or two synthesizers you could already play a full live set.
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Finally, all the same for me a live performance, it is live. And the fact that my friend you and others, plays from an ableton, starting play samples, track after track, clip after clip in turn, sometimes distorting his polished parts, this is a semi-live)) I would say that this is a DJ with a laptop and his tracks. I don’t want to offend anyone, I hope all is well. but I can load my tracks on a flash drive, play them through the pioneer in turn and think that this is a live performance)
these are just thoughts, i really try understand everything, I know different approaches and I don’t want to offend anyone here. but I hope you get the gist of my thoughts)
I think you underestimate a little how small the sample as a “building block” of a track can actually be.
10 ms of noise processed and bent into some psychedelic metallic clang can also be done by samplers – just as well as a 1 minute prerecorded loop can just be cued and played.
It’s more a matter of how lazy you are with your samplers. The machines are just the tools.
One could also say that all these fully “live” analog drum machines and 303 style synths are just cheap preset surfing.
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