Warble when syncing with Ableton live

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T02:21:23.000Z

So I have Ableton as master and AR as slave and there is a warble in the tempo that you can hear in the music especially with 16th notes (hi hats for example) Is there any way around the warble? Is anyone else experiencing the same thing? Both AR and Ableton are set to the same tempo but when recording the AR tempo goes up and down by 1 point

A thought of mine would be perhaps to make AR the master and Ableton the slave then in Ableton, time correct the hits.I think this may correct the warble, what are your thoughts?

Dtroy · 2014-11-10T02:50:50.000Z

No warble on my end. Yea I notice the BPM goes up and down by .1 BPM but that’s barely noticeable, and if anything, gives it a natural swing.

biologik · 2014-11-10T02:51:15.000Z

This is due to ableton’s terrible syncing.
Turn off the BPM sync and set it manually and you’ll be OK. Just be sure to leave transport send on.

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T03:09:57.000Z

Is logic better for syncing? I have version 9

natrixgli · 2014-11-10T03:11:47.000Z

It’s probably the delay. If you turn off tape mode on the delay that should get rid of it. My OT does it when sync’d to my Tempest which fluctuates a bit.

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T03:18:27.000Z

What do you mean by BPM Sync, where is that exactly in Ableton

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T03:20:45.000Z

where do I find tape mode on delay in AR?

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T03:22:09.000Z

I set the BPM of Ableton manually, set it to the tempo of the song in AR, I don’t know what “BPM Sync” is in Ableton where do I find it?

natrixgli · 2014-11-10T03:28:19.000Z

Oops I’ve just consulted the manual and the delay on the AR doesn’t have this.

biologik · 2014-11-10T05:19:45.000Z

What I’m saying is all done on the AR.
You have two things working the sync. The first it keeping track of the BPM. The second is the transport. Turn off the BPM sync (I forget the official name for it) and set the BPM maually to match your song.

If this solves your problem, it’s unlikely that switching DAWs will help.

t · 2014-11-10T05:48:07.000Z

Can you describe the problem in more detail? You seem to suggest that when using Live as master, the tempo on the AR fluctuates a full BPM up and down. Is it really that much? Are you really seeing the tempo on the AR go from 119 to 121 BPM while Live is running at 120 BPM?

stutech · 2014-11-10T08:42:11.000Z

Have you perfomed any ableton midi troubleshooting? IIRC there is a way to offset the midi timings etc in order to get midisync working better, might have even been a tutorial about it in the factory content sessions?

FWIW I always just dial in the same bpm values to both live and AR, align the ableton sync with the metronome and then record. Works well enough for my needs.

PlayRecords · 2014-11-10T09:07:17.000Z

I’ve been using RYTM as master and it seems sound with ableton last in the chain and ext sync on… Nice idea to use the metronome to make sure your bang on the grid as it does drift off a tiny bit but not too much…

I notice the A4s tempo slaved to RYTM doesn’t read the same by about 1 BPM or so and fluctuates by .1 which I though was odd but you cant hear it.

EDIT - should say I’m not intensely tracking in a Ableton tho :\ just recording then editing audio.

LFO7 · 2014-11-10T23:02:07.000Z

I have Clock Receive and Transprot Receive checked in Midi Syn options

Turbo Speed is not checked
Encoder Dest and Pad Dest is Int+Ext
Receive ntes and receive cc nrpn is checked