Not a good look when your old company took peoples money, never delivered the product then ghosted them.
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Did they get their money back in the end? I dont trust anything from the UK(showcased at Bristol) atm.
Seems like a couple did after finding out his personal email and mailing him there, according to another forum.
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Seriously though… that’s not good.
Such a shame, looks like a great product otherwise.
I guess, if it makes it to major retailers, then it’ll be fine to buy one?
Or not?
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I’m gonna post here to see updates, if it can replace my XY at a fraction of the cost, I’d be interested.
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vaporware. i think every op1 attempt has been no alternative at all and most likely this will end there aswell.
for another op1/opxy to happen would mean at least the same motion to forward such a project over a period of time with the creative and coding background of TE.
it has been TEs advantage and most of you don‘t see it right now but they’re still far ahead if they would ever have a competitor 
It might not be, I guess we can only wait and see.
Personally not interested in ‘another op1/xy’, I did like the Z though.
TE certainly know how to make an interface fun to use, however they’re far from perfect.
This device looks very well specced and featured. If it comes to market, and is fun to use, could be a serious competitor to the op1/op-xy.
The real issue for me is the scam issue discussed upthread.
In case anyone’s interested, I’m going to email them and ask about it. I’ll report back what they say, and also invite them to discuss it here openly in case they wish to.
Perhaps, if they do make some money from this device, they’ll be able to refund anyone who lost money last time.
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Why did Void9 then pay to exhibit at the show, and send at least two people on an overseas trip, and pay for their accomodation – leaving aside creating a working prototype, and a website ?
If you have inside information about this, please help us and let us in on it.
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what’s exactly working on it? 
yes, a website.
it’s not that this one is a nice xy / keystep mashup and it looks great (obviously opxy) and would be a great organelle alternative if they keep it up but i doubt it.
i think you‘ve to be prepared for more things developing this kind of device also make up for any backlash. if your vision is to do a better teenage engineering device and mostly grasp for that user base they will be behind until they stop developing any further.
great on paper 
like tonverk
You missed the video from Sonic State in the first post.
no, they’re theoretically talking about a vision and then there’s a seq demonstration to prove things do work 
don‘t want my fellow elektronauts to fall to deep into this 
Talking about product ideas doesn’t make a working prototype vaporware. Do you have other information ?
get the XY asap. 
Your answer then is no – you have no other information. “Vaporware” as you use it here, with its negative connotations, is a misapplication of the word. Moving on.
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Did I misread something? It seems like the person behind it already scammed people on another/other project(s)?
yep, and I think this platform didn‘t have any roadmap beforehand. its vapor until its on superbooth
it’s either going to collapse at its pricepoint or the fact that it can‘t be scaled in a manner that this will be a released product with upcoming support, unfortunately it‘ll stuck inbetween and it‘s a 
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i mean at this point some can just put a raspberry into a block of aluminum with VA synthesis and rgb sequencing trigs as a „competitor“ but to really do the trick I think you‘d have to find a way to think about the things in hardware that Teenage Engineering didn‘t but also make sure to include all of the things they did thought about and are already included in their range of instruments.
is a lot
I don’t know why anyone would have any interest in anything from this guy given that history, cool idea or not. It’s borderline irresponsible hyping this product up.
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Ok, I’ve emailed them. This is what I sent:
Hello!
Happy to share my thoughts and enthusiasm with you!
I’m a member of a forum called Elektronauts, it’s a good community to discuss music tech etc.
One issue came up, regarding a previous product called ‘Motus’, that people didn’t receive or get refunds for. This is the thread where it was discussed:
Void9 MÕNAI - if Op-1 and XY had a baby?
I’m letting you know to invite you to discuss it with the community. Obviously I have no idea what went on, so I’m a not judging. If it is true, maybe if the MONAI takes off and makes money, perhaps the Motus buyers could be repaid? Everyone makes mistakes, it’s how you deal with them that matters.
Anyway, I thought it would be best to get it in the open and invite you to respond honestly if you wish to.
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in the first few minutes of the sonicstate video there’s him saying „anything can happen“ 🫨
I think scammed might be a bit harsh after reading the forum thread about the product. Seems like incompetence to me. Obviously also not good but it is something different.
I would not risk backing someone with this track records. I do know of other projects in the past where the developer messed up their first project and lost everyone’s money but was years later able to run a successful project. I’ve lost money on backing one project like this as well but ended up buying their new product. However only after it came to market.
It can be difficult to know if someone has what it takes to bring a complex project to completion when they haven’t done it before. No matter how good the prototype is.
I would not back anyone with a previous bad track record. Especially like this developer where the communication was bad as well. However, I still wish them the best and hope they make it this time. If the project makes it to market I would be interested.
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