Using pre-configured bank

Grumo · 2019-03-21T15:38:18.415Z

I have to try different ways to do transitions, for now I´m thinking about the OPs approach, so maybe for me it will result in other completely different one.

Maybe I should try to emulate the Master T8, ´cause I´d like to have there a master compressor and DJ EQ, but at the same time have T8 available in some banks.

Take a look to my new template version, now with more dimensions!

Octatrack Bank Toolkit.pdf (852.3 KB)

Grumo · 2019-03-21T15:48:44.400Z

For now I don´t use CUEs for effects, it´s something I maybe try using Ableton as an effect module. For now I´m using CUEs to resample them, and maybe to have 4 outputs.

Maybe I´ll use the Stem Creation bank for that purpose, to bounce the four stems to Ableton, or maybe to bounce unmixed elements to Ableton and mix and “master” them before importing to the CF as stems or as full songs.

Open_Mike · 2019-03-21T15:50:18.748Z

Thinking about it the master track emulation is good for transition trick and then applying fx to that, but since it’s a Src3 recoding it plays back after the recording is made unless you microtime the play trig one notch forward to get towards a realtime scenario, but then you get phasing…

Grumo · 2019-03-21T15:52:49.431Z

Yes, phasing or maybe reproduce once the recording is done…

Open_Mike · 2019-03-21T15:55:35.625Z

OK, I just read OP again to see what you are trying to accomplish… I’ve been known to go off topic or meander into other scenarios… Haha…

Grumo · 2019-03-21T16:28:09.141Z

No problem, I like offtopics .

Soham · 2019-03-21T17:40:47.348Z

Correct! with crossfader transition you can move the sound from actual tracks to the Flex recorder buffer once the first round of recording has finished, without microtiming.

Grumo · 2019-03-22T10:33:06.015Z

Great, I need to figure out if this way of transitioning is enough for me.

Grumo · 2019-03-22T10:36:58.178Z

Yesterday I spent some time creating the project, I discovered how to copy and paste banks. I have some questions:

How can the Pre-Sliced bank be set? I tried with several tracks reproducing R1, for example, but if I set the first track to have 4 slices, this is hardwired to the R1, and not the T1, even if I go to another bank or part.
I read several threads about gain staging, but I still don´t get it: I tried recording to R1 a Drum Machine bank sample. Then I went to the Pre-Sliced bank and played the R1 buffer in T1. To hear it at the same volume I had to turn the sample gain to +24dB and the AMP vol to 127. Is this right? I´m not using T8 as master now. Anyway the sound I hear in the Drum Machine bank is different to the one I resampled, it hears slightly different and I thing it´s because of the gain…
I created 3 or 4 banks but, when I press the bank button, I only see the 16 highlighted in green (and the current in red). Why are the other´s light off? They´re saved and their parts too.
Is there any way to copy/paste tracks? Or I have to do it page by page?

pinup57 · 2019-03-22T10:42:45.782Z

Grumo:

I read several threads about gain staging,

It’s really easy. If you record the output of a OT track (or the master, or a cue mix) the recording will be at the exact same AMPLITUDE as the source (unless you start messing around with GAIN settings which you do not need to do unless you need to CORRECT something. To play back the recording at the exact same VOLUME as the source, the output LEVEL of the recording track should be at UNITY which is 127 otherwise you’re attenuating. The default 108 setting is equivalent to -3dB, that’s what you are experiencing probably.

Grumo · 2019-03-22T10:47:01.021Z

I resampled the MAIN in T1 (without having T8 as master), then I set R1 in the other bank to be the source of its T1, nothing else. I thought about the level, but the volume didn´t change so much when I set it to 127.

Grumo · 2019-03-22T10:47:45.902Z

Ah, I thing I understand, so each one of the 8 tracks that are being recorded has to be at 127?

pinup57 · 2019-03-22T10:48:21.396Z

Grumo:

but the volume didn´t change so much when I set it to 127.

3dB is not much, it’s a slight difference but it counts in the perceived loudness

Grumo · 2019-03-22T10:48:58.164Z

I meant the level of the new T1 playing the recording.

pinup57 · 2019-03-22T10:54:38.451Z

Grumo:

Ah, I thing I understand, so each one of the 8 tracks that are being recorded has to be at 127?

I’m in a hurry so can’t do a live chat, but in a nutshell, it depends on how you sum and what you record. Start over by setting every setting named GAIN to default. If you now record MAIN, T1 should have it’s LEVEL to 127 (unity) and you should have equal volume. If this weren’t the case the famous " transition trick" wouldn’t work well, and it does. So if you don’t get equal VOLUME there something interfering like a filter, an envellope…

Grumo · 2019-03-22T11:43:54.179Z

Ok thanks, I´ll check.

Grumo · 2019-03-22T12:06:14.079Z

I think I found the problem: I was recording the MAIN and I was using my headphones and hearing the CUE

Grumo · 2019-03-22T12:18:53.618Z

SOHAM gave me some clues in other place, here you have:

Grumo:

How can the Pre-Sliced bank be set? I tried with several tracks reproducing R1, for example, but if I set the first track to have 4 slices, this is hardwired to the R1, and not the T1, even if I go to another bank or part.

Are slices saved in a part, or a pattern

Grumo:

I created 3 or 4 banks but, when I press the bank button, I only see the 16 highlighted in green (and the current in red). Why are the other´s light off? They´re saved and their parts too.

As soon as [BANK] is pressed a prompt saying “CHOOSE BANK” will appear. Banks with content are
indicated by green <TRIG> LEDs. A red <TRIG> LED indicates the currently active bank. As soon as a bank
is selected the prompt will change to “CHOOSE PATTERN”. Pressing a [TRIG] key now will select a pattern
located in the selected bank. Patterns with content are indicated by green <TRIG> LEDs. A red <TRIG>
LED indicates the currently active pattern. This method of pattern selection allows for quick changes of the
active bank and pattern. If you don’t wish to select a pattern, just release the button combination after the
“CHOOSE PATTERN” prompt appears.

Soham · 2019-03-22T13:46:32.321Z

Correct! And if you want to copy banks, you need conennect to the computer or do more steps copy pasting parts and patterns sepparately. I don’t understand why OT don’t have copy paste bank without computer (I would like OT standalone), but that’s how it is

Grumo · 2019-03-22T13:50:21.919Z

There are some good things in the new boxes like copy/paste pattern, Control All and, of course, the graphical parameters. It would be incredible to have that graphics in the OT!!