Understanding Kits, Tracks and Sounds

hkrabye · 2014-07-18T18:44:57.000Z

""dragon"":

[quote=“audiopuncture”]if you want to save a (maybe tweaked) sound from the kit for later use in another kit you have to save it to the pool or the +drive.

Yes, but how do you do that?

I have a sound edited on my AK… I want to save it for later use.

The manual gives the same conceptual overview as you just did but I still have no idea how to just do the basic task of saving a sound to the +drive.

Thx for your efforts…[/quote]
This is one way to save a tweaked sound for later use. Correct me if I explain it in a wrong way:
1.I open the Sound screen (Function + Sound on the AK) by choosing “Sound Manager” and then pushing the “Yes”-button.
2. First I need to choose the place to store this sound (I guess this is on the +Drive). I can choose Bank C, D etc. by using the Trigger buttons, and let us say that I want to store it in Bank C. When I scroll through the sounds already stored in Bank C, it seems that I have lost my sound, because if I touch the keyboard I will hear the sounds I am scrolling through. When I reach an empty slot in Bank C, however, I can hear my sound again. So, I just mark the first empty slot.
3. Then I need to push the right arrow key which opens a new menu. The first choice in that menu is “Save Trk Sound”, and this is exactly what I am looking for. So I pick that and push the “Yes” -button, then I can give the sound a new name (recommended!) and click “Yes” again.
I am still confused about this: When I use the Sound Manager to store a sound like I have described, is it really stored on the +Drive for general use, or is it only stored in the Sound Pool that I am working with (my Project)?

audiopuncture · 2014-07-19T09:59:40.000Z

""hkrabye"":

[quote=“dragon”][quote=“audiopuncture”]if you want to save a (maybe tweaked) sound from the kit for later use in another kit you have to save it to the pool or the +drive.

Yes, but how do you do that?

I have a sound edited on my AK… I want to save it for later use.

The manual gives the same conceptual overview as you just did but I still have no idea how to just do the basic task of saving a sound to the +drive.

Thx for your efforts…[/quote]
This is one way to save a tweaked sound for later use. Correct me if I explain it in a wrong way:
1.I open the Sound screen (Function + Sound on the AK) by choosing “Sound Manager” and then pushing the “Yes”-button.
2. First I need to choose the place to store this sound (I guess this is on the +Drive). I can choose Bank C, D etc. by using the Trigger buttons, and let us say that I want to store it in Bank C. When I scroll through the sounds already stored in Bank C, it seems that I have lost my sound, because if I touch the keyboard I will hear the sounds I am scrolling through. When I reach an empty slot in Bank C, however, I can hear my sound again. So, I just mark the first empty slot.
3. Then I need to push the right arrow key which opens a new menu. The first choice in that menu is “Save Trk Sound”, and this is exactly what I am looking for. So I pick that and push the “Yes” -button, then I can give the sound a new name (recommended!) and click “Yes” again.
I am still confused about this: When I use the Sound Manager to store a sound like I have described, is it really stored on the +Drive for general use, or is it only stored in the Sound Pool that I am working with (my Project)?
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Hi, as I wrote above the left arrow key opens a menu too, where you can choose to which source you want to save.

hkrabye · 2014-07-20T18:01:30.000Z

I just discovered that the fastest way to save a sound you have tweaked on a track is to push the Yes-button and the Sound-button (on AK) or the D2-button (on A4) at the same time. The first empty slot on the +Drive is automatically selected, and you just need to confirm with the Yes-button.

audiopuncture · 2014-07-21T08:10:01.000Z

Ah cool, didn’t know that one.
So many button combinations to learn…

amusic · 2014-12-01T22:45:07.000Z

thank u sirr!

Octar · 2015-01-08T22:42:03.000Z

""hkrabye"":

I just discovered that the fastest way to save a sound you have tweaked on a track is to push the Yes-button and the Sound-button (on AK) or the D2-button (on A4) at the same time. The first empty slot on the +Drive is automatically selected, and you just need to confirm with the Yes-button.

That helped a lot. Thanks for the hint!

tonfarben · 2015-01-11T17:37:19.000Z

I think, as strange as it seems first, the concept behind those kits is quite powerful.

Example: Maybe you know that on the korg electribe EMX1 you could have a pattern length of 128 steps. And when you have worked with that, you don´t want to miss it ever again. So to achieve this on the Analog Rytm or Keys I do this:

On a clear project

Make a Pattern A1.
2 Save kit (yes, it still has initialised sounds, but let´s not worry yet) into slot A1 and call it Kit A1
Make Pattern A2. Automatically this new Pattern has Kit A1 assigned to it.
Now in Chain-Mode make a chain containing pattern A1 and A2

Because those two patterns use the same kits they also use the same sounds. So if you now load a sound it is used in both patterns. And because you are in chain mode, those two patterns now behave as one big 128step pattern. LiveRecording works fine. And step recording of course also works but remember to look on the display where you are before setting your steps as while playing the sequencer changes the patterns on the fly without you noticing.

If you want to create another 128step Pattern:

Make a Pattern A3.
Save kit onto Slot A3 and call it Kit A3. (Notice, the created pattern A3 automatically got Kit A1 assigned to it. This you will now save -basically copy- to Slot A3 and you will call it Kit A3)
Make Pattern A4.
While Pattern A4 is active look on the display to make sure Kit A3 is used. If not, load that kit and save the pattern again.

“Why create the new kit into slot a3?”
You can see where the kits belong (kit A1 belonging to pattern A1 AND A2 because Kit-slot 2 is empty)
And if you decide later that Pattern A2 needs a variation of the sounds used in Pattern A1, despite you are using it as a big 128step Pattern, you can still simply create a copy of kit A1 and save that to slot A2, just where it belongs.

You have to get used to this process of first saving your stuff at a specific location and then start tweaking and recording, but later in the process it is much easier because everything sits already in place.

XponentOne · 2015-01-11T20:05:11.000Z

Can also start a blank project, setup and assign a few patterns/chains/blank kits then save the project and lock it, and have a template project ready to rock with your most common workflow.

hgprs · 2015-01-12T17:57:17.000Z

XponentOne, I’d never thought of that. I think it’s a very cool idea!

escargot · 2016-07-29T11:00:09.697Z

I want to start to manage my extensive library of sounds in my AK, and go thru factory sounds and sound packs. Delete some, edit some, rename, relocate sounds.
If i go thru kits, and their 4 sounds, double clicking on the track will display the sound, now if i want to see where on the +drive it is located or if after editing it i want to replace that sound, how to do this? I know how to save it in a new place, but not where it was originally.
Thanks for your help

avantronica · 2016-07-29T11:21:25.816Z

escargot:

if i want to see where on the +drive it is located or if after editing it i want to replace that sound, how to do this?

double clicking a track will bring up the sound browser, this can be focussed on either the sound pool (per project, 128 sounds) or +Drive (per machine, thousands of sounds) - whilst focussed on the browser you can audition sounds for that track, pressing yes will load them in

clicking a track will only reveal the name now assigned to that sound stored entirely within the kit, this is a legacy of earlier activity only, that sound is not stored anywhere, it is baked entirely within the kit (although its source may well have been a +Drive sound originally)

If you want to swap out a sound within a kit, just tweak and save or load from the sound manager and save into the kit

sounds like you may benefit from a refresh read on some ideas about sounds, kits, patterns etc from the manual or read the advice in the many threads on this topic
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escargot · 2016-08-02T11:50:55.326Z

great thanks. i didn’t realise that the sounds stored in a kit are a separate entity and can be different than the sound they might originate from in the +drive. Is there a way to name them differently? or they will have the name of the sound loaded from pool or +drive regardless if it has been edited in the kit?

Also, how do you move a sound from one slot to another in the +drive? is it thru sound manager? I think i know how to do it in OB, but working just with the synth at the mo, and wanting to get more familiar with it without using OB.

thanks

escargot · 2016-08-02T11:57:52.768Z

oh yeah just found reply to my first question. Sound manager: rename to rename the sound on +drive, rename track sound to rename the sound in the kit. nice

iramrezso · 2016-08-02T12:42:48.974Z

Is there another synth out with such complex data architecture? I like it however.

clunky · 2016-08-02T16:21:41.723Z

Yes the OT, where as the A4 I find easy, the OT just bogs me down in “house keeping”

GAURA · 2016-08-11T05:02:53.746Z

I see your first question was answered… But did you ever decide to set about cataloging your +Drive library with that knowledge?

I also would like to create a more organized +Drive with different Init patches and more categorized sections of sounds that I would like handy (in place of the preset list available now)

Seems like a healthy workflow improvement .

socaldreamer · 2018-07-25T07:33:37.000Z

So I figured out an interesting thing this evening in learning how to use song mode, kits, and pattern chaining on my Analog 4 MK2. You need to create and save each kit before switching patterns to use new set of sounds per track or you will copy over the same sounds from other banks! Been loving creating kits, songs and chaining them together to create longer compositions. That and learning how to craft tunes on the Octatrack with parts, patterns and the arranger is soo much fun.

plusn · 2018-08-03T06:19:13.450Z

Up…

So did i understand the Connections right?
+Drive -> global
128 Soundpool -> per Project
1 Kit -> per n-Pattern
n Kits -> per 1 soundpool
8 banks x 16 pattern -> per project
Performance controls -> per Kit?

amnesia · 2019-01-12T02:09:44.000Z

I am starting to think I might be going about this wrong.

I want to put together a composition so I do it this way

Create New Project
Track one make a sound and save the sound, track 2 , 3 4 FX etc
as I am doing experimental music I usually just use A1 pattern
When I am happy with what I have created I save the project

But now I have a second A4 I am able to move all sounds etc across except the projects…

I think I should start saving my compositions as Kits correct?

Snipecatcher · 2019-01-12T04:34:38.167Z

I’m about to get an A4, so I’m very curious myself to see what tips folks have!