Trigless Lock (unwanted) Pitch Changes

avantronica · 2014-12-01T09:25:40.000Z

The A4 does not do as you experience, i’m surprised the AR does this, the a4 will create a trigless lock with a note value, it has to, it isn’t always a C though, it is whatever you last left the default note at. However, it does not affect the sustaining previous note. You can do that of course, by explicitly plocking pitch (white on black) it sounds to me like that is a bug, but the AR has different sustain and trig mechanisms(for lfo env) etc so i don’t know if there are subtle differences or even settings which could change your outcome. Sounds very odd, it’d drive me nuts too

fisherking111 · 2014-12-03T04:46:09.000Z

I emailed the problem to Elektron. I’ll update this thread when I hear a reply back from them.

Thanks for the confirmation. It must be a bug they will update in the next version I bet…

avantronica · 2014-12-03T13:20:06.000Z

This is what i am getting too, by comparing with the A4 it is different, the issue is clear cut in terms of what the user can see on screen, it’s not consistent, looking fwd to a fix or response. I tested with a synth model on OS 1.02F, yes 1.02F, new machine

Nivekevil · 2015-01-31T02:45:30.000Z

Yes, same concern here. Did you ever get a response email about this?

bkinsman · 2015-01-31T11:36:18.000Z

not too sure if it’s already been mentioned but you don’t have it live record made when you tweak knobs do you as it will record the knob movements, or you don’t have any stay lofts set do you?

Ymsey · 2017-10-12T23:19:32.119Z

Got the same issue with, Digitakt.
Is the problem solved on AR now?
Please let me know, it’s a major problem for me. Trigless created should have by default a nonpitched value, nonvelocited and infinite lengh by default or the the sames as the previous trig

avantronica · 2017-10-13T09:06:38.112Z

Ymsey:

Is the problem solved on AR now?

it looks like it is …

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T14:28:46.536Z

I don’t believe this has been resolved or perhaps I am clueless as to how to continuously record a knob movement.

I just got an MK2 and updated to 1.50.

When I record a sequence in live recording mode, then I sweep the filter, it changes or adds notes to the trigs where there previously was no note and the trigs become yellow.

Is there something I’m doing wrong or a way to correct this?

Thanks

avantronica · 2019-11-11T15:01:16.758Z

Karl_Joseph:

Is there something I’m doing wrong or a way to correct this?

Correct what though ? What is it you believe is wrong about it at present

A Lock Trig (yellow) will have a Note value of zero (unlocked), it will have locks to disable Synth/Samp/Envelope/LFO retriggering and a lock for the parameter you modulated, e.g. Filt Freq

What is it about this which is not right, are you just surprised by the audible & sudden filter opening and confusing this with Trigging

what happens if you set the p-lock value of filter to be exactly the same as the current track sound value ? does it effectively vanish ?

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T15:43:59.137Z

Please excuse me because my knowledge of elektron terminology is novice.

The new lock trig is changing the pitch of my sound where there was no pitch change (or any trigs) prior to live recording of the filter cut-off.

When I go to live record cut-off, why does it add or change the pitch of notes on steps where there is no trigs.

Adding additional pitch change trigs when I’m only trying to record the cut-off sweep doesn’t seem “correct”

If on a word processor you intended to write the word Elektron and instead it read E.l.e.k.t.r.o.n inputting or changing the characters in between to something unintentional?

I’m not trying to be argumentitive, i just don’t understand the purpose of the lock trig also entering a note value on a trig that previously had no note value.

avantronica · 2019-11-11T15:56:34.308Z

Karl_Joseph:

why does it add or change the pitch of notes

I have no idea, it doesn’t do that for me on my tests - how do you replicate your issue from a clear kit clear pattern using the fewest steps possible ?

The Lock Trigs can appear to have a different value (i.e. it’s the track default, relative to other normal trigs in pattern) and as long as they are not highlighted as locked (which you’d have done somehow) then I don’t quite know what you are seeing/expecting

You need to demonstrate using a very simple easily repeatable test

Also be sure to test this whilst connected to NOTHING else, not usb, nor MIDI … keep it simple

avantronica · 2019-11-11T16:08:36.273Z

Are you observing this on a track that is not part of a Voice share out of interest (i.e. 1 2 5 or 6) ?

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T16:30:24.375Z

It is part of a voice share. I’m using Dual VCO on track 3. I’m not at the rytm right now, but I will give it another try this evening.

This isn’t a deal killer by any means, I’m just hoping I don’t have to p lock every step just to make a filter sweep across a 4 measures.

Thanks!

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T16:32:36.317Z

I should say it only does this (changes pitch) on trigs with no data on it (just a blank step) Sorry I don’t know the terminology for a blank step.

avantronica · 2019-11-11T16:43:15.506Z

Karl_Joseph:

I’m just hoping I don’t have to p lock every step just to make a filter sweep across a 4 measures.

But how does that relate to pitch ? - achieving a sweep with the existing steps on a pattern will take planning and slides or an LFO which is only trigged once etc

FWIW The reason I asked about voice share is that a Lock Trig on a subordinate track will mess about with the prime Track Voice in certain circumstances, so to keep it simple use non-shared-voice tracks first - there is a strong likelihood you are just forcing the default parameters of Track 3 to eclipse the Sound of Track 4 when the Lock trig is passed - it will interrupt T4 with T3 values

Karl_Joseph:

it only does this (changes pitch) on trigs with no data on it

you’ll need to list steps to replicate in order to see what’s going on here

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T16:50:49.223Z

So when you live record knob (filter) sweeps, it doesn’t mess with the pitch of empty trigs?

I could totally use the LFO in trigger once mode!

Thanks!

avantronica · 2019-11-11T17:00:46.707Z

Karl_Joseph:

So when you live record knob (filter) sweeps, it doesn’t mess with the pitch of empty trigs?

No, but you need to set out everything else that’s happening (e.g. on T4 etc) - or rather, make a simple repeatable test from scratch, try on track 1 or 2 for comparison

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T17:08:24.504Z

Nothing else is happening. I have nothing on shared Track 4. I have note trigs on trigs 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, and 15.

Live record while only sweeping the filter cut-off knob changes the pitch of steps 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, and 16 so the envelope release of the odd numbered notes changes pitch when the it reaches the trigless lock that recorded the filter sweep on the even numbered steps.

There are by my count 3 other people in this thread who have experienced this. All their post are very clear as to how to replicate this.

Thanks

avantronica · 2019-11-11T17:51:35.480Z

Karl_Joseph:

There are by my count 3 other people in this thread who have experienced this

They’ll presumably be able to take their time to help you out then because I don’t see this pitch change issue using the case mentioned above, nor any others I can think to try, including your steps, on either a Mk1 or Mk2, and even using the DVCO on Track 3 being careful that Track 4 is clear … nor do I see any simple repeatable steps to methodically reproduce the issue from defaults

Plus I seem to have confirmed that the bug (presuming there was one) was indeed fixed some time ago

Karl_Joseph · 2019-11-11T18:43:12.680Z

Well, in theory using the LFO in one shot mode I can still achieve the intended outcome. I’ll try that tonight and see if I can (hopefully not) reproduce the pitch issue on the empty trigs.

Thanks!