Transfer Samples In Background (wow)

cuckoomusic · 2014-05-13T12:46:34.000Z

Just had a revelation. Perhaps you all know about this, but for me it was a revelation. I just realized you can transfer samples from the comupter without going into any special sysex-receive mode at all. You can even be playing at the same time, and just feed it. Nice.

the_dreammer · 2014-05-13T13:33:55.000Z

I wonder:

those samples are transferred as midi-sample-dump or something like that isn’t it.
Does that mean, you can sample with a machinedrum… and make your machinedrum dump the sample into the rhythm… Something inside me says : Yes this wil work.

And if it works… can we talk electron into adding “midi sample dump” (or whatever its official name is) into the octatrack…

nirun · 2014-05-13T13:41:55.000Z

""the_dreammer"":

I wonder:

those samples are transferred as midi-sample-dump or something like that isn’t it.
Does that mean, you can sample with a machinedrum… and make your machinedrum dump the sample into the rhythm… Something inside me says : Yes this wil work.

And if it works… can we talk electron into adding “midi sample dump” (or whatever its official name is) into the octatrack…

ideally with the octatrack hooked up to the AR via USB this will be possible down the road too. I imagine it will requite an OT update though

t · 2014-05-13T14:03:32.000Z

You should be able to move samples into the RYTM from any device that can transfer samples according to MIDI SDS.

the_dreammer · 2014-05-13T16:00:56.000Z

""nirun"":

[quote=“the_dreammer”]I wonder:

those samples are transferred as midi-sample-dump or something like that isn’t it.
Does that mean, you can sample with a machinedrum… and make your machinedrum dump the sample into the rhythm… Something inside me says : Yes this wil work.

And if it works… can we talk electron into adding “midi sample dump” (or whatever its official name is) into the octatrack…

ideally with the octatrack hooked up to the AR via USB this will be possible down the road too. I imagine it will requite an OT update though [/quote]
I doubt that usb hookup will ever happen… (I agree, it would be handy. attach your ak/a4/rhythm to octatrack via usb. and eat the usb+audo in separate tracks! why not) but that will just never happen…
But for now I am just talking about midi-sample-dump… something that anyone with a machinedrum and a rhythm can try out RIGHT NOW AND USE IT. so to speak… not theory/I hope/I wish… just fact… will it work… or will it not work… and if it works.
can we talk elektron in adding this to octatrack (not even realtime. can be in a menu…) so I can just do my samplebuilding on my octatrack. and any fun sound put in my rhythm… (if I had a rhythm… else I would have tested it with my own machinedrum and posted a topic saying Hooray… guess what I found out)

the_dreammer · 2014-05-13T16:09:13.000Z

""t"":

You should be able to move samples into the RYTM from any device that can transfer samples according to MIDI SDS.

That’s what I figured. but no rhythm to test it… but it would be a thing I enjoy…
I hate putting samples on my machinedrum via computer/midi . and I guess its the same for rhythm… (be it, less cables and all that)
So I always wanted my octatrack to send midi-sample-dumps … so I could just make something on my octatrack (sample my machinedrum/monomachine and mangle it) and then send it back… I would enjoy that allot more… and basicly killing the need for me to ever connect my hardware setup to my computer (which is old and slow… and barely runs the stuff I do in renoise)

Atleast my machinedrum samples… so I can sample the cue-out of my octrack when needed… though this does not work so well with single cycle things…

but the rhythm doesn’t sample.

subq · 2014-05-13T17:04:15.000Z

I’ve always thought they need to develop elektron interop support/app/hardware.

A device that you can plug all your elektron gear into that allows all elektron gear to communicate with other elektron gear…i.e. move samples around, etc etc…yeah yeah overbridge…but I’m talking something OTB…in fact, if hardware maybe something cool like port expander for OT, more inputs/outputs/tracks

Purusha · 2014-05-14T07:56:56.000Z

I do admit to initially spending 5 minutes looking for the sample receive mode on the global menu.

mokomo · 2014-05-14T08:24:56.000Z

One way would be a raspberry pi hosting 2 USB devices - the OT and the RTYM.

You could set the Pi to await detection of the OT being in USB Disk Mode, once it does it then automatically captures the sample file contents of a pre-designated folder on the OT CF and then sends them to Rtym as Midi SDS via USB.

So every time you simply go into USB disk mode on the OT the transfer happens automatically without any further button presses being required.
To avoid this being messy, hopefully if you send the same-named file to the Rtym twice it simply overwrites the existing version on the Rtym.

Come to think of it you could make a dedicated pi device with two buttons on it and an audio in socket.
Hold one button down to sample the pi’s audio in (assuming you have a wolfson card attached), release to stop sampling. Hit the second button to convert the captured Wav to SDS and send it to the Rtym… Then you can tweak the start and end points in the Rtym.

the_dreammer · 2014-05-14T14:16:13.000Z

""mokomo"":

One way would be a raspberry pi hosting 2 USB devices - the OT and the RTYM.

You could set the Pi to await detection of the OT being in USB Disk Mode, once it does it then automatically captures the sample file contents of a pre-designated folder on the OT CF and then sends them to Rtym as Midi SDS via USB.

So every time you simply go into USB disk mode on the OT the transfer happens automatically without any further button presses being required.
To avoid this being messy, hopefully if you send the same-named file to the Rtym twice it simply overwrites the existing version on the Rtym.

Come to think of it you could make a dedicated pi device with two buttons on it and an audio in socket.
Hold one button down to sample the pi’s audio in (assuming you have a wolfson card attached), release to stop sampling. Hit the second button to convert the captured Wav to SDS and send it to the Rtym… Then you can tweak the start and end points in the Rtym.

This is a good hack! it would even work for most of my samplers.
a little file-moving-pi-machine between the samplers that have usb-mode. include a midi-dump-module and things like a rhythm and or machinedrum can play to…

mokomo · 2014-05-14T14:48:51.000Z

""the_dreammer"":

[quote=“mokomo”]One way would be a raspberry pi hosting 2 USB devices - the OT and the RTYM.

You could set the Pi to await detection of the OT being in USB Disk Mode, once it does it then automatically captures the sample file contents of a pre-designated folder on the OT CF and then sends them to Rtym as Midi SDS via USB.

So every time you simply go into USB disk mode on the OT the transfer happens automatically without any further button presses being required.
To avoid this being messy, hopefully if you send the same-named file to the Rtym twice it simply overwrites the existing version on the Rtym.

Come to think of it you could make a dedicated pi device with two buttons on it and an audio in socket.
Hold one button down to sample the pi’s audio in (assuming you have a wolfson card attached), release to stop sampling. Hit the second button to convert the captured Wav to SDS and send it to the Rtym… Then you can tweak the start and end points in the Rtym.

This is a good hack! it would even work for most of my samplers.
a little file-moving-pi-machine between the samplers that have usb-mode. include a midi-dump-module and things like a rhythm and or machinedrum can play to… [/quote]
this looks like a start GitHub - bsl/send-sds: Send MIDI SDS files to samplers from Linux using ALSA
what would be nice on the OT would be a ‘send sample as sds’ option in the editor or elsewhere to send through midi out port down the line to your RTYM, but conversion to SDS might be beyond the OT’s CPU.

Keplinger · 2014-05-14T16:33:16.000Z

Hi “cuckoomusic”,
thanks for the tip, but how(!) does it work?
The simple sample feed and listen at the same time!

Keplinger · 2014-05-14T16:36:04.000Z

I only get the AR today!

the_dreammer · 2014-05-14T17:30:31.000Z

""mokomo"":

this looks like a start GitHub - bsl/send-sds: Send MIDI SDS files to samplers from Linux using ALSA
what would be nice on the OT would be a ‘send sample as sds’ option in the editor or elsewhere to send through midi out port down the line to your RTYM, but conversion to SDS might be beyond the OT’s CPU.

Well… that’s why I started with the question… Does the md’s midi-sample-dump function work to feed rhythm.
because I am sure you can swap samples between machinedrums that way… and I read about some dude who used this vintage sampler to edit his samples and dumping them into machinedrum after…

If a machinedrum can do it (not sure it can WHILE PLAYING) but that’s not really my end-goal… An octatrack should be able to do it as well (might not realtime… but like you said… option in editor will be fine enough)

I do like your pi suggestion… that would also work for my mc909… or my mv8800 … or…

t · 2014-05-14T19:01:56.000Z

Just transferred a sample from the MD to the AR. Works perfectly fine.

the_dreammer · 2014-05-14T19:29:20.000Z

""t"":

Just transferred a sample from the MD to the AR. Works perfectly fine.

thank you… confirmation was usefull / needed… I appreciate that. …

So yeah that means I am going to put in a user-request for midi-sample-dump on octatrack.
is good for all machinedrummers and rhythm people… especially those who don’t like to mix computers
with their hardware… (whatever their reasons maybe)

drxcm · 2014-05-16T00:12:26.000Z

This is really cool - superb idea if the octatrack could sample dump to the AR in real time…

Even the PI idea is cool…

I love this community - such creative and curious minds!

TrabanT · 2014-05-24T05:00:16.000Z

i just read this thread an a question popped into my head … can you take a A4 sample and throw it into the AR ? … have my AR for 20 hours now … thanks guys

t · 2014-05-24T05:12:43.000Z

You can sample anything that makes sound, including an A4.

Diayse · 2015-10-30T09:30:23.000Z

Old thread revival, sorry about that !

I have not followed the updates of the OT, nor do I own one. But I would be very curious to know if it is now possible to transfer samples from the OT to the AR via MIDI sample dump. And if so, how fast / convoluted is it ?

Thanks guys.