I think whatever sound one wants to achieve with the OT can be achieved with post processing anyhow
Musicās a labor of passion right now. As soon as I start making money off of(no foreseeable future) Iāll be willing to trade out my gear Iām passionate about for quality sound
Hey people !
I think it would be cool to keep this place as an interesting discussion that keep on bringing new information on the subject.
To avoid the debate to become sterile and confrontational, please would you mind being careful with your words ?
Ask any questions, compare as much you want, but try avoiding the fanboy ground, as this would quickly kill the interest of the discussion, I fear.
Thx
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Maybe Cenk would be willing to challenge Pioneerās Product specialist to a showdown performance battle?
Octatrack vs Torais: Rumble in the Sample.
To make it fair, just 5 seconds of audio source material can be used, delivered to each machine via audio cable at the outset for sampling.
5 mins prep allowed and then a 5 min performance. All recorded live, no retakes.
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The Toraiz is definitely currently missing some things for people interested in using it as a standalone device for editing recorded audio (like me). Besides the bug that I pointed out, thereās no way to create folders, or choose folders for samples to be saved to when saving new samples. Right now, you can create & save new samples after youāve recorded something new or made edits, but they all automatically go to a āSavedā folder that gets created. You have to organize the folders by using a computer.
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Now I have to clean up the coffee mess I just made.
K
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IMO a more scientific comparison would be to use the exact same same sample (in the same format too!), level matched to a tenth of a dB. This kind of tests are typical GS (not testing like for like)
Maybe toraiz sounds better, but leave any ātestsā out unless theyāre done correctly, lest more confusion is created on the internet. I guess we all know how things get twisted outta context online after a while 
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I appreciate the insights @Prints, between what you have been mentioning and what I have been reading on the Pio forum it seems that the Toraiz is not for me at its current stage, I will continue to keep my eyes on how things go and possibly try one in the future.
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Hereās a quote from a recent post over on the Gearslutz thread by a user who owns both the Toraiz and the OT; it reinforces what I said about the sound difference between the two.
āIt sounds amazing, the D to A converters are very good to my ears. I put the same sample in Toraiz (HD!) and Octatrack (SD!)and the quality difference is big.ā
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This is just plain silly. An unqualified, subjective statement.
But trying staying constructive - what I do, when I want that characteristic saturation (ācoloringā) and softening of transients you get from an overdriven pioneer mixer, is put the OT through any old pioneer DJM and crank it into the orange. Done.
Now, that is clearly a coloured sound, and although fairly pleasant, certainly not āneutralā or pristine.
If i want reasonable clarity and neutrality of output, i prefer to go through a cheap but solid mackie vlz.
Now about those DSI filtersā¦ I have never owned a DSI instrument, and I only played on a Tetra - which i really liked, a nice analog polysynth. What i can say though, is that i would never go āwhoa that dsi filter just blew my mindā when listening to a productionā¦ I admit i simply would not recognize itā¦! So what is the big deal according to the DSI advocates? Care to explain? Is it historic loyalty by oldschool MPC users?
I would understand if you were flipping bc toraiz got an EMU filter and EMU DAā¦ That would be smth i can relate to, damn those 18bit converters sounded gooood!
DSI has used many filters.
The filter in the Tetra is not at all the same as what is in the Toraiz / Prophet 6. In fact, it is very different.
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Nice. So what?
So whatā¦ As in: care to elaborate, and how is this affecting the quality of your sound?
The Tetra filter was a LPF Curtis filter, and a quick search of most forums for āMOPHO curtis filterā will bring back many results challenging its effectiveness.
An additional search of most forums regarding the P6 filter, or even listening to YouTube videos will demonstrate just how different the P6 filter is. It is more alive, more smooth, more exciting, and has far more character. Itās widely considered to be the best filter on a Prophet yet, and that is what is in the Toraiz.
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Ok thanks for the clarification. No offense intended.
I still think it is a bit of a gimmick on the toraizā¦ But i could be wrongā¦ You just have to buy two toraizes and youāre fine 
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I admit that I would consider the Toraiz more, myself, if there were more than just 1 LPF and 1 HPF analog filter.
At its current state, the Toraiz isnāt much of an audio mangler yet. Thatās not its forte, but with some interesting new effects, that could quickly change. Subjectively, without breaking out the spectrum analyzers, I really like the sound quality coming out of it. Iām able to sculpt frequencies to my liking with the 2-band EQ or digital filter. I like Pioneerās digital filter algorithm. I really like the chorus and flanger effects as well; I like the chorus better than the A4ās. I would really feel comfortable mixing tracks on the Toraiz before mastering. It has a good sound no doubt. The Toraiz is definitely not a total replacement for an Octatrack, Electribe, MPC, or even an SP-404. It can be, totally depending on what functions you use.
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Glad youāre happy with the toraiz did you get a chance to check whether the timestrech has options for ānumber of barsā? Thanks
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Multitouch could have opened up a bunch of potential options where the screen could be an alternate set of 16 pads while the physical pads were set for another function. So you could use the screen for mutes etc. Could potentially have been pretty cool if pioneer had expanded on that kind of dual surface ui.
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Biggest letdown is the inability to define the sample slice pointsā¦
i meanā¦ i dont see how that doesnt come up in EVERY and ALL discussions about the toraizā¦
u basically would have to prepare a CHAINā¦every single time u wanted to slice somethingā¦
u couldnt sample breaks off a record and then auto slice it into 16 parts and get anything useful. drummers are not computers.
once they sort thatā¦ i could possibly look at itā¦
but right nowā¦ the OT is still king (for me)
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relax manā¦ sheesh
Are you kidding me? telling me to relax? you are one of the single most negative posters here. i watched you complain for years about the rytmā¦ and youāre in here selling this half baked overpriced sampler.
kick rocks
āthis plan may be subject without noticeāā¦ and no midi out for many months
a sampler without user defined points is like a car with 4 steering pointsā¦ not very useful at all
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