Same here.
I forgot about this choice of design but made the repeated discovery again today.
Tried to mute my incoming audio which was set to “pattern” in system config and to a Track number in Mix its Source page.
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2 workarounds (not ideal but it mutes inputs)
- Simplest : use a BUS track, ENV+ set trigs, note length and envelope setttings to your preference (I prefer Hold)
- Use a Grainer track, set Amp Vol to 0, use MOD envelope, set trigs, note length and envelope setttings to your preference. You also can use track filter on inputs. You may need to use a silent sample.
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Dunno why everyone is being cagey about the button combo.
Once you paste your pattern into the blank slot, it will paste all of your sounds and their sequences, then func+play (pretty sure, not with it rn) is the clear shortcut while not in sequencer edit mode, that will “clear pattern” but your sounds won’t clear.
Sounds are cleared by track+play, and individual sequences are cleared by func+play after hitting record to enter sequencer edit mode.
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No Elektron device has a mute audio function (unfortunately) you can only ever mute the sequencer, If you understand that, how the device acts makes perfect sense. Really the only way to get a mute button for any track is with an external midi controller, I have my rotocontrol set up for toggling a/b ins, fx sends and delay/reverb time as my default setup, it’s basically a necessity.
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No.
Tonverk: User Thread - #2360 by sezare56
Octatrack.
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Thank you both for the tips and explanations. I think I’ll just end up muting directly on the other device via mutes (it’s a DN2) or just taking the volume down manually.
Man you love disagreeing with me hey. I never said there’s no work arounds.
Don’t start with “No Elektron device has a mute audio function” then ! 
Btw many people complains that Octatrack cuts audio abruptly post fx, no tails…
Concerning workarounds, it works, I hope Elektron will find simpler solutions, without the need of extra controller.
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You literally just replied “no” and tagged your work around that is definitely not a mute button but sure dude. It makes sense the octatrack audio thru tracks or whatever have a different behaviour so thanks for that contribution, to be more specific for you then, in almost all cases all Elektron devices have a mute mode that targets the sequences of the tracks rather than the audio being produced by the sequence of the track.
Yes, I agree most of Elektrons mute trigs, and not audio !
So you have to be careful with note length and envelopes when you use it standalone…
So how are people feeling after a bit of time now with grainer, wavefinder, and 1.3.1 in general? Given more bugfixes are guaranteed to come in future patches, and overbridge is guaranteed, I’m curious about priorities.
I know people say timestretch + slicing. I get it, for a 2K sampler its insane not to have those.
But are you finding that loading a sample 8 times to subtracks and then setting start/end loop points in each is sufficient for slicing up a sample?
Do you find grainers BPM sync sufficient for timestretch?
There are limitations to both of those workarounds. For example, if you ‘slice’ to 8 subtracks, you can’t timestretch those chops. You can pitch them up or down manually to try and tempo match. Likewise if you need to change the tuning of something by repitching you fall out of sync.
Grainer is OK for BPM syncing a loop but I have not tried p-locking start points or grains or whatever to try and turn it into a bunch of chops.
I think the easiest solution is to just add a grid mode + bpm time sync to single player machine. Or at the least add a sync to BPM in subtracks or something.
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Tons of things to experiment !
I was about to said its too limited, you can’t modulate slices, but you can do it with arp !
I prefer DT and OT slices.
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Hey that’s a cool find!
Just to clarify in this video you have 8 different samples (or different start/end points) in each subtrack slot and you are just using arp to randomly play them?
Excellent find, with the arp sequence functionality you can get very specific with it. That saves you from laying all the trigs by hand for this type of use case
Is there a way to copy a subtrack’s sample to another?
Same sample. Starting from a new substrack, selecting same sample.
Pretty fast as selected folder is maintained.
1 bar pattern
1 trig on step 1, Note length 16, for each subtrack. For some reasons UP arp didn’t play subtracks in the right order, so I used microtiming, but it didn’t work perfectly well : order was depending on selected subtrack! Anyway the main idea was random arp…
I couldn’t. But I copied SRC page to have same sample length and pitch for all.
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If you’re okay with using a computer, you can build sub tracks that come pretty close to what you’d do with slices. In fact, I think it’s superior to the way DT handles slices because you can use lots of samples on just one sub track with velocity layers, and you can add round robin for more variety. You can then also perform with the velocity knob and scroll through slices this way. I’ve described the process in detail here: How I built “performable” drum kits with eldrum creator. It only works with a PC unfortunately, I hope they will give us an option to do this on TV itself one day.
Of course, this doesn’t give you all of the things you can do with slices and it’s not the same, ymmv. It’s more than what I’d need from slices personally, but it’s a personal workflow thing. More discussion on this here: Slices: Why do we need them?
Something like this happened to me as well. Maybe best to send a request to Elektron support. They answered really fast and asked me to send all of the relevant data. I didn’t have to since the bug somehow appeared on my TV (not because of updating).
About your observation concerning save behavior: this is how I’m used to it from digis. When you shut down TV and turn it back on, your pattern will be in the exact same state as before you shut it down. But once you load another project and later go back to your project, any change that you didn’t deliberately save with " save project" function will be gone. I like this behavior and am used to it, but I advise you to integrate regularly hitting “save project” into your workflow each time you’ve changed something that you think is cool.
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I prefer DT and OT slices.
You can modulate them with lfos, apply linear locks or random locks, faster to add plocks, control all slices pitch, loop, reverse. On DT2 Velocity mod can be assigned to slices or slots, so are lfos.
Main strength of subtracks is to have several tracks. Can be an inconvenient for settings things faster, no control all.
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ah! yes. that’s a pretty good workaround for now. 
I’d like to be able to drop multiple files from the same folder quickly onto subtracks. That seems not possible currently without leaving the sample browser.
Totally valid! For me I only need slices 95% of the time to import lots of one shots with e.g. variations of one snare. On TV, I have my 8 favorite snares on a sub track and 16 variations of each of them. I can play this in with the keys set to velocity or scroll through it with the velocity knob that’s not in a sub menu. And TV has these nice features vor velocity, like randomize or ramp at a button press.
I prefer that to DT, where I can only have one slice chain to play per track. It means I never need to think about loading drum samples on my TV, because I have everything I need there at a finger press.
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I precise it doesn’t copy the assigned samples.
Seems possible from CREATE NEW Subtrack.
FUNC + Subtrack to assign sample, it keeps same folder. With already assigned samples, their folder is selected…