What’s already there does excite me, if Elektron don’t start crowd pleasing all the boring fuckers that want TV to be the same as every other fucking sampler.
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It’s going to be a legend in the catalog, I’m telling you.
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No offense, but that would be horrible…
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Boring fucker here — I want the weird experimental stuff but ALSO want a slice mode, as that’s table stakes for a sampler.
One of the reasons the octatrack was so popular is its flexibility: mixer, looper, drum machine, etc etc. The more breadth the tonverk has, the better. Otherwise you end up with the torso s4 where, while admittedly it’s a lovely device, due to its limitations and rigidity, it’s more of a fancy guitar pedal than a flagship.
If I’m shelling out two grand for a flagship device, then yeah, I want it to be able to capture a eurorack performance and slice it up later, just as I expect it to sequence midi chords of more than four notes, or let me select which tracks to route to a compressor, or page through bars in a composition instead of waiting for that bar to hit, etc.
We can have both standard sampler functionality AND the wild experimental stuff 
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Well there’s only so much space (CPU and UI).
Elektron excel at making focussed instruments. The OT was somewhat the exception to this, but not really. As flexible as it, it feels very much like a performance instrument.
And it’s not like OT wasn’t without some pretty heavy limitations. Yes, it has rudimentary stuff like slicing and time stretching, but everyone moaned about the time stretch algorithm, the sequencer was pretty basic when it came out and you still have to choose between reverb or delay.
OT isn’t a classic because of it’s rudimentary features, it’s a classic because of the real time manipulation of 8 simultaneous audio buffers.
I want to see TV go to those places as a priority, I want it to be an instrument first before it becomes a list of things I can already do in Ableton.
But if they go the other way, no problem, it just won’t be for me.
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I didn’t complain about it. It sounds good to me.
TV can have a number of machines. I’m on the we need the pitch and timestretch train first.
I’d also like some other more creative features. But let’s take care of the basic first.
Fin. We’ll miss you on the first train. I’m sure there will be a seat for you when it comes back through town 
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I agree that it would be nice to get standard functions like slices and more experimental, TV exclusive things. If we have to choose between the two (which I believe is the case, or better: if Elektron thinks they have to choose), I definitely want the wilder, unexpected features that will set it apart and make the fact sheet oriented comparisons of samplers explode because TV does something that just doesn’t fit into any column. I think that would also be a better way to convince people to get one and make it feel exciting.
Just like OT, which fin absolutely nails:
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nope - just use Cue Out and CD In. Or the old copy/paste-hack:
Octatrack Tips & Tricks (OT Tips) - #201 by Kacper 
There’s often some weird workaround on Elektrons, but these usually make things more convoluted and projector error and/or mean you have to sacrifice features. Not the same as just having the function straight away.
Edit: I think because of that, it’s better to look at the core features of these machines and decide whether that speaks to you and how you make music or if there’s something essential missing / you don’t feel it.
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To be honest, I should have said that it’s strange to complain about features that aren’t there when you could just use what you’ve got and make music.
I mean, a tractor’s way more expensive than a car, but no one expects it to be able to drive at 230 km/h.
…or get an MPC and be even more unhappy…maybe.
Octatrack has been around since 1836 (or thereabouts) and is still a great piece of kit. Even back then, I wouldn’t have used the reverb for aesthetic reasons.
But to be honest, I tried the hack for the first time earlier to check if it still works.
I actually found the reverb pretty impressive. And it’s strange. I’ll use it in the future).
I was mainly trying to point out that there’s something to fin‘s argument that even OT was limited and couldn’t do everything, but that didn’t stop it from becoming a cult classic because it does that one special thing that was inventive and still sets it apart. Which I agree is the kind of thing I‘d love to come to TV before something like slices.
And btw I do think that what TV does right now is alread enough for me, that’s why I bought it. But since Elektron promised a new machine soon, it’s worth discussing what direction we prefer it to go.
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Hmm, hate to say it because its not that I don‘t like the TV, but only thing that makes it experimental are a shit ton of effects that can be applied to loose control. Fine, but the basic function is a sampler and it lacks. Put a shitload of effects behind or in the loop of the OT it becomes unpredictable too. Not that its bad, but the concept isn‘t all that special.
A good granular engine deeply working with the sequencer and parameter locks could be something.
Slicing and timestrech should be mandatory to the mono sample engine.
For real thats not too much for the price.
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Totally agree with all this. Time stretching when set to mono mode makes the most sense for managing CPU. At the end of the day even the routing of the sends and busses isn’t as modular as the OT. I truly hope they bring something unique to this box in addition to the expected sampler tools. The sound quality is really good it just needs more machines.
I hope for a Pick Up Machine to be added to the list of Recorders in the sampling menu.
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Not sure I agree with this. I see where you’re coming from, but the multi samples with velocity layers and the randomize velocity function of the sequencer should be a great playground for making really weird shit if you play with velocity mod when recording the source material. Same for the step edit with individual note control of conditions. TV also just has that special sauce when working with it that leads to different music than when you use a digi, although it doesn’t seem to be that special on paper Add the granular effect to that and we already have a really interesting device. Do you have a TV or have used one yet?
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You’ve already mentioned it a bit, but I don’t think you’ve got the right end goal in mind.
So: Tonverk is a sampler. It’s polyphonic and can play multisamples too.
(I’ve been waiting decades for this and have bought and sold an AKAI S6000 several times because of it—still unattainable, but Tonverk is catching up.)
That’s a huge plus, and you can’t get that on other devices. Then there are subgroups, and each one is almost like its own Digitakt 1.
You can use all of this and add a bunch of effects over it. Dub techno? Easy. There’s a great video on YouTube.
But you can also think of the effects as real-time sound manipulators that turn a sampler into a synthesizer and let you stay in control.
That’s the way to go. If you’re up for it.
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Pickups come from machinedrum timeframe. Basically allowing a track to record what is happening elsewhere and use it as a sound source. You can plop trigs down wherever you want them and go ape on the sound - very creative.
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Curious. With the DT. Can you stretch and slice at the same time? Say I have a loop that’s not the correct tempo but I want to slice it at the tempo I’m working at.
No you can’t.
You can pitch up in order to match tempo as I did in the video.