Thinking of moving from a TR8S to the Digitakt MK1

The problem is that you are going to miss the TR-8S. What it does well, it does really well. You tried to get it to do melodies and more complex sequencing, which it does not do well. One way to keep some of what you like in it is to downsize to the TR-6S, which is small enough that you can add a DT1 (a serious bargain right now). If you weren’t in Italy, I would suggest an M8, which is highly portable and adds a lot of what you seem to be missing. But it’s harder to get hold of in Europe without paying a lot.

Another thing to think about is a small MIDI controller to add some faders and maybe pads, which you will not have on DT1.

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Sounds like you really favour the Elektron workflow but, since you’ve tried the TR8S, what about considering swapping that for the MC-707 to add the melodic bits. (MC-101 owner here, not 707). But honestly, if your experience so far tells Elektron > Roland then ignore this suggestion.

I’ve thought about it, I should look into the 707 more. Do you have it and like it?

Yes I already know I’m going to miss those faders… somebody suggested the 707 and those faders and pads really look juicy

I would use long samples for some vocals, maybe 3/4 per set. Or some breaks too, I’m missing those in the TR8S and I love when Tekno uses breaks as buildups.

Sure, you can do that. Of course. I do some similar things with long samples, long breakbeats. Vocals. etc.

The biggest limitation there is where some people like to work with stems. All stems. Every sample is a long sample.

That kind of workflow will kill the device memory, no question, but if you’re using some vocals here or breaks there, a little sprinkled around into all of your tracks, then there’s plenty of room for that.

I don’t have an issue with sample memory on DT1 but for me, it’s because I don’t load too many more samples than what I need into a project.

I do like having some options, but I’m more likely to take a kick that sounds sort of like what I want and then shape the sound into what I actually want. If a person listens to 30 or 100 kick drum samples and picks the one that they like, of course that will take up more memory and that’s also ok to do but it’s just one additional consideration into whether it’s the correct device for that person.

There is no rule that says “only use the tools this one way” but you start to find that when you use a tool in a way which is a little different than it was designed, you start to find limitations - your experience with TR8S is like this. Very strong tool for what it’s good at, but not so good as a sampler / sample player.

Digitakt is a drum machine and a sampler but in my honest opinion, samples you move over from the computer sound good but ones you record direct into the machine do not always sound good and there is also a limit on how long you can live sample into the machine, but you can move a 5 minute sample over from the computer onto a digitakt if you have room in the memory for it so there is no limitation beyond your own preferred workflow.

For me, the best sampling experience is MPC. Sounds good. Good chopping facilities. Easy to do and lots of storage.

Is MPC inspiring for creativity? Not always. Feels kind of like washing your hands wearing gloves. Not always accomplishing what you’re trying to do or accomplishing it but feeling detached from the act. Elektron gear feels like washing your hands with sandpaper. You’re really touching the material, and you can feel everything you’re doing as you commit the act.

The biggest trade off with elektron gear is when you want to work with a timeline, a long linear path, and seeing the whole song as one piece is not always easy. It takes a lot of remembering where you wanted to go and going in that direction.

If I make something which is mostly contained in the one pattern and really uses the 8 tracks on digitakt, it always works fine. The biggest limitation is when your ideas are bigger than a device, to when the wrong workflow slows you down and you lose the idea and then the idea is gone, and you feel frustrated. That is the limitation most people hate of any device is losing their idea.

It sounds like you compose well with elektron machines, and I think if you don’t feel limited by cycles, only that you would like more sampling, then yes to me it sounds like digitakt is a good choice for you but only you will know for sure.

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The 707 is slightly larger than the TR-8S, though, so it doesn’t help with your portability concerns. And the 101 (which I pursued for a while, but I could never find a second-hand one at a price I liked) is harder to do sound design on; it seems to be essentially a preset machine (with a lot of presets, but awkward mechanisms for choosing one). I think the gap between 707 and 101 is wider than between 8S and 6S (I do own the latter).

Your dilemma is one facet of a problem often discussed on this forum: there is no perfect groovebox. Some blame manufacturers for intentionally limiting their devices to sell more of them, but I am coming around to the view that it is really difficult to pack everything into a single device. The best hardware UIs I know work in part because of restricted focus.

My current desert island device is DN2, but I don’t play live. It will be hard to match the playability of the TR-8S at that price point (TR-1000 and Perkons live on the next tier). And in your situation, I would hesitate to sell everything to plunge into the unknown (though DN2 and M:C share some DNA, at least).

No easy answers. I will follow to see what you decide and how it works for you downstream.

Keep the TR8-S and get a DT1. Do not downgrade to a TR-8, you WILL miss the features of the8-S,
I’ve had both and there is no comparison whatsoever, the 8-S is vastly superior.

I’ve had the DT1 for 8 years and never really hit any of the limitations, save for culling some unused samples for space. If you have the8-S for drum duties, then 8 tracks on the DT is a whole hell of a lot.

The TR8-S is a drum machine and a really, really good one. It is not an all in one groove box (meh! That word!) Do your melodic shit on the DT and keep the Roland.

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Ive just added a Digitone to my Digitakt, replacing my Model:Cycles. The M:C is fun and creative, but the DN is a whole other beast.

They both cost me £700, thats ridiculous firepower for the beer tokens.

And unless you absolutely need stereo samples or multiple minutes length files, the DT is not going to hold you back.

It will dstroy your social life though.

What @plragde said ^. Better believe him than me, I only know the MC-101.

I don’t have the 707 either! I just looked at the spec sheets. I did look at all the Roland machines at the same time, at the Roland Store in London where I tried the TR-1000.

Yeah well the TR8s was not designed to sequence melodies.

Get a DT2 with a Launchcontrol XL MK2.

. Sell the 8s.

Keep Roland, M:C and get M:S.

I get the impression that the TR-8S was designed for DJs who want a drum machine that instantly locks to the track’s BPM. It’s quick, intuitive, and performance friendly, though a bit on the superficial side.
The Digitakt, on the other hand, is an instrument for electronic musicians and follows a completely different philosophy: it’s built to draw out an artist’s deeper, hidden creativity.

In the end, the choice depends entirely on how you plan to use your gear.

DT will do the trick just fine. Second hand prices are low but quite stable, so you can always sell once you are ready to upgrade to the DT2

Just make sure you’re fine with OB long term. It was an expensive mistake for me. Never selling the TR-8S again (except for T-1K perhaps).

Yep I’ve noticed that. The Elektrons feel like they excel in certain genres where patterns repeat a lot and one shots are preferred. Luckily for now I’m not interested in “composing” songs per say but just building 9/10 loops that I can jam on for one hour.

You mentioned samples sounding bad when recorded directly into the DT. Is recording one shots from the Cycles or other synths into the DT a reasonable workflow?

Yeah I’m really digging the idea of M:C + DT1. Is recording M:C one shots into the DT a decent workflow?

Yes that’s also what i noticed. I thought TR8S would be perfect for me as I liked to improvise but when I try to anything other than pure drums it feels super clunky and bad. Feels like I need a much bigger setup to really use it well and also It doesn’t really work with the genres I’m into.

I wanted a box that could do a lot more than drums and I was mistaken.

I think I’m going to swap TR8S with DT1.

A friend is gonna lend me his DT1 for a week and I’m gonna see If i enjoy it. I’m sure I’ll like it but let’s see.