I’d like to calculate B1 and B2 values depending on B LEVEL but one value is missing :
It seems between 14 and 16…
Anyone knows ?
Values 43 and 85 on the graph seems wrong. By ear values are 48 and 96.
Edit : Results
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You are not allowed to ask this.
Its the forbidden question.
Dark knowledge.
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This is irreversible I’m afraid; they will track me down…
I need values. Values addiction.
I need a patch.
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So at a value of 85, the B1 is not at zero?
Wait what, the B value is not just one line?? I feel so dumb, yet blessed that I now know this
From this graph, no.
It controls operators B1 and B2 when they are modulators. Their value don’t change at all when they are carrier.
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It controls the amount of modulation they send. Which is why this does nothing when they act solely as a carrier.
A better UI for this would be two bars, side by side, one for each level.
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Yes but it is not obvious, I would have prefered to be able to change their level as carrier as on other phase modulation synths. So be it.
Excellent point, I’ll relay it.
Bu tyou got the mix parameter, at least.
As you said. Carrier level control is useful for organ sounds for instance.
I realised just today it wasn’t possible to control B1 and B2 as carrier on Digitone…and btw it also miss these simple algorythms :
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I’d love more algos indeed.
There are new ones on FM Drum btw. But it’s hard to really see what’s what.
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Simpler FM, 3 ops, but interesting options !
To find out the modulation level of B1 at 85 you could do a simple test.
Algo 1, Ratio B1/B2 1:1, x/y stays leftmost, Ratio offset for B2 -1.000 (shouldn’t have any effect now). Now turn up B mod levels while checking the effects on C in a scope ideally - to be very sure, compare with the more fine grained A levels
I always assumed it’s going by increments of 3 at the beginning (ramp up). Never cared for the rest…. Will see when I’m back at the DN.
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Thank you for this thread as I think, along with going back to the manual, this has finally clicked for me. I can not imagine how I got this so wrong ha ha.
This is my least favorite part of the DN engine implementation and as noted above I wish there was a way to see each B value’s depth independently.
But I get it now and will adapt, now to just get better at phase resets and learning when/why not to use them.
Edit: This actually goes back to something I’ve thought about before: why don’t they have all the A/C values on one page, and the B on another instead of splitting delay, sustain (or, ahem, trig), and reset on 2 pages? The only outlier is phase reset.
Edit 2: Since page 2 has a blank, you could put all A/C and phase reset on page 1 and all B on page two and have a spot to indicate both B values.
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I found a cool way of using this implementation. Instead of using the envelope to control the modulation amount i used the LFO as an envelope controlling B vol. Gives a cool variation to the sound. Perfect for long envolving pads.
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Had a quick look now. To me it sounds/looks (scope/analyser) like at around 95 I have the most neutral modulation from B1. Found it really difficult to compare to A modulation, but something around 30-35 looks similar-ish. It’s definitely not moving linear through values and you can achieve very nice subtle modulations with B1 alone that differ slightly from lower values from A.
@sezare56 are you going to check this, too? Would be nice to have a second opinion
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Thanks ! I was just doing it by ear, comparing C/A and B1/B2 with algo 2. 
By ear it seems to be stable from 96. So with B1 carrier and B2 modulator, the graph seems wrong. 
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Ok so: if B1 ever reached zero then the B2 modulation would also be null so they do this so there is no dead spot in the level parameter?
Yes. But what is the value ? 
Not even sure of 85 value.
Hard to test. I am trying to compare C/B1/B2 in algo 1 vs C/A/B1 in algo 4…
(listening to X only)
I thought Digitone was fun 
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