I believe the new-new is newer. As a matter of fact it is the newest. And much more capable than mature and new. I’d even hazard a guess that it is the capablest, probably 
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Is it a new platform? I thought it’s the same CPU as DT1 plus a DSP chip for parallel processing.
To me it doesn’t really seem appropriate to call digitakt 2 “modular” as they do heavily did in the marketing copy. I’d think modular implies the ability to reroute building block components at a fundamental level not just point the LFO in a couple more locations.
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Danger of ambiguity in the term ‘platform’ here. Could mean
- new form factor (tonverk definitely a new form factor)
- identical hardware
- cpu hardware with exactly the same instruction set
- software built from a shared base.
More discussion HERE.
Elektron definitely chose to talk about DN2 and DT2 as a new platform, but which of the above they meant, I couldn’t tell you.
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What exactly do you mean by this? I’m sure I’ll understand the concept, just not following what you mean by this terminology exactly.
From the octatrack manual:
SYNC TRIG will restart the LFO on track start
This can be accomplished currently by parameter locking the first step to have mode TRIG then free run after that, but this forces you to create and manage a trigger to sync the LFO.
Imagine you have 8 cars waiting at a left turn lane all with their blinker on. By default theyre all out of sync til each driver turns their blinkers off then on at exactly the same time. This LFO mode makes that automatic every time you press start.
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It may seem like a small thing but IMO it’s the key that opens up the timestretch “hack” to be a true granular engine without changing anything else about DT.
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Totally get it and I thought that’s what you might mean. Free running LFOs should always reset their phase when you press play. When changing patterns after you’ve started? That’s more complicated and not a good idea to have by default, but I can’t think of any reason to not sync them on cold start. You can’t even correct the phase on free running LFOs (the SPH parameter simply does nothing) manually (at least not on MK1 or TV, I don’t own a DT2). And I agree that we shouldn’t have to manage a trigger for this. This is one of those “all Elektron” requests.
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Haha speaking of (since DT1, we’re not alone)
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Yea exactly. It would especially empower new users to understand and control the LFO.
As for timestretch, the SAW LFO is essentially a counter that keeps track of where the play head “should” be. SYNC LFO allows you to not have to worry if your reference timer’s phase is aligned. You could save your timestrech sound and when you load it into a new project it just works.
Right now it’s possible to recreate almost every parameter grainer machine has on DT (except polyphony or course), but without SYNC LFO there’s a significant bar to entry of understanding/management that makes it unattractive. Removing that barrier opens a world of possibilities.
I’m hoping that by being the squeaky wheel on here I can get us all some grease 
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I was confused by this when TV was released.
So DT2 and TV are both new platforms, but… different new platforms?
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Yeah they are both new.
I wish they had just waited, held back on the DT2 at least and released a single new top of the line sampler on the platform the TV uses. It was only one year
I suspect that maybe was the plan at some point, I mean it had to be.
Instead we have a company with four different models of samplers in production, and this headache of locking features to certain ones to justify them all
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So, @cuckoomusic said, almost certainly after some info from Elektron, that the DT2 was a soft launch of the new platform. One interpretation of that is that there is one new platform was only partly complete when it was incorporated into the DT2. Together with other hints from elektron (someone reported from machina bristonnica) that big things are coming for DT2, maybe this is DT2 catching up to the full new platform ?
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Maybe, but probably not.
TV is running Linux under the hood, so an actual OS is booting up when you switch it on. Albeit a very slim one. Then the Tonverk “software” runs inside that.
DT2 and DN2 are not Linux based, they are bare metal, no OS, the code is running directly on a microcontroller
Which makes me think they are completely different platforms.
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How do we know that ? (I might have missed something).
Details here:
Was that an answer to my question ? I’ve seen that and understand that shows how TV IS based on linux, but I didn’t spot anything explaining why DT2 IS NOT linux.
Look at the Firmware file sizes.
Tonverk is 100mb
Digitakt is 1.5mb
The smallest linux image for the OS alone is 1.5mb and that is for a different CPU architecture than the one the Digitakt uses.
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Why are they priced similar?
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This is how rumors start, we’ve got one person who thinks they remember a youtuber talking to a Elektron representative. If a source could be found that’d be better than a 3rd hand account without grounding but even then, plans change, it being true at the time does not mean it’s true now.
However people are going to keep pointing to it as a cast iron grantee that a big update is coming. See also @cuckoomusic statement about a new platform where teardowns showed an additional DSP chip and the Tonverk being based on a completely different platform that as far as I can tell does not use that DSP chip. This is why the assertion of ‘two new platforms’ is *incorrect.
Anyone seen the “there is lots of DSP room for updates” quote that was apparently said about the DT2 ? Try to find a source for that which does not lead back to a random forum post. I can’t.
Humans have crap memory. Show three people the same thing and you will get three different stories of how it went down. People mix up what actually happened with what they think happened. People will change wording so a nuanced statement becomes an absolute in retelling.
Instead of playing games of telephone try to find and quote the original source.
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Depends on your definition of ‘platform’ of course