The Clone War - Behringer. Good or Bad?

Nymphes has nothing to do with a Juno beyond both being single oscillator polysynths.

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A narrow focus is not inherently hypocrisy. Further, to stretch the metaphor there is a difference between going 32 in a 25 and going 90 in a 45. Behringer is making more egregious violations, even if the actions of the companies being knocked off mattered (they do not).

Narrow focus coupled with evidence that they purchase from equally guilty parties is hypocritical. Arturia is not going 90 in a 30 with their hundred knockoff plugins? Because some of it isn’t in production anymore? Just trying to get the reasoning right

Which has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction.

However, the title of the thread is not “Are all forms of knockoffs bad?” And that is not the question; the question is are Behringer’s recent knockoffs bad. And I think they are.

Determining the goodness or badness of Behringer does not require a full accounting of every hardware knockoff since the dawn of time. Arguing that it should is merely repeating the same logical fallacy over and over again.

Especially since in the specific cases you raised above with Arturia, the hardware originals were not being sold at the time they released software clones. So even the so-called equal evil isn’t, at all equal (never mind that a VST clone of analog hardware is in no way the same thing as a hardware clone or knockoff of a physical product).

So, in sum: that’s a fallacious argument. I’m sorry you don’t like that word - but you can stop making it and the word will go away.

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dude the moment you started comparing software recreations to hardware clones, you lost the plot.

you’ve been melting down over this for 3-4 hours now. go do something else maybe… :thinking:

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Software is the same thing as hardware and digital recreations of past analog products are as “in production” as anything else.

Roland Korg and Yamaha put every American company out of business with their digital technology, it was bad for the market! Is that enough?

That’s a dickish thing to say but I still love you

I can’t imagine a world where I would feel morally superior to someone else because they bought a different version of the same thing I bought. Some people obviously do not have that problem.

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I dunno.

I drink Yorkshire Tea, which makes me considerably superior, morally and otherwise, to all those Tetley drinking plebs in their mildewed, carpetless hovels.

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You CAN criticize the lone speeder, because he’s putting all those that are following the rules in danger. 🫤

It won’t be their fault they are hurt or injured in the end. It will be the speeders fault.

Oh and to put things straight, in all likelihood I’m not nearly as smart as you are. Zero debating skills…or grasp of language.

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Obviously all of their speeding should be ticketed if that’s what the law states. But in absence of such a law, what level of public criticism would be fair coming from other people who are also speeding at the same time, and perhaps are guilty of manslaughter 30 years ago with no remorse?

Wait you are sidestepping everything. :exploding_head:

:v:t6:

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No, i’m continuing the metaphor with you…

It’s a shame I probably won’t have time to do this week’s vinyl deep dive as I would’ve called my song A Ballad For People That Will Only Buy Soog…

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Unequivocally, yes, I would rather work and live in Asheville than in Nalang. I visited Asheville for mioogfest in 2012, it’s a lovely town. Never been to China. Maybe I’m missing out. Nalang could be awesome.

I wasn’t arguing that one of these companies is morally superior to the other. That’s actually what @xidnpnlss was doing. I was simply pointing out that their characterization of Moog as some sorta of light in the darkness of corporate evil struck me as odd, because they’re not.
I never worked for Bob Moog, nor have I ever met the guy. The meager history I about him (largely the MOOG documentary) paints him as a treasure, and I like to believe that’s true. He is not the company he left behind.

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That Behringer factory looks really nice. Less gun violence than America too I would guess.

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https://clb.org.hk/en/content/factory-workers-zhongshan-protest-dangerous-working-conditions

6 years ago, at a completely different factory…