The Behringer synth fx thread


#141

I’m hoping for those drum machines they ‘leaked’

I’ll be really sad if I don’t get my 300$ 909 clone :disappointed:

I’d like a Deepmind 6 sometime in the future tbh but since I am a horrible keyboard player I’ve got nothing to do with 12 voices :smiley:


#142

Exciting news in that it means that we will likely have a variety of affordable analog polysynths coming in the next couple of years. I hope Roland does an awesome one in the Boutique format.


#143

Roland is happy to sell you one right now for $299.


#144

@t Micro machines was never my thing :smiley:


#145

Behringer would sell heaps more gear if they didn’t print their name on it.
Got a shitty old behringer rack thing, and I think
I could almost make eye contact with it, if it lost the badge.
Surely their marketing division have discussed it :joy:


#146

@psyclone001

The few things I’ve bought from Behringer have been solid, Bcr2000 controller & Behringer ECM8000 measurement mic.

Had them for years and they’ve not failed yet although I was stupid enough to give the Bcr away some years back :zonked:


#147

Yeah I know, just would be better with no name :joy:


#148

Hehehe :smile: :joy:


#149

And the best part is, it doesn’t sound half as bad as the 808 ACB! The 909 boutique is quite a nice piece for the price.


#150

Regarding the drum machines, I’d probably just wait for the next Perfect Circuit Audio sale and get a TT-78 - but that’s just me.


#151

Just my uninformed speculation – will Behringer (Music Group is the corporate name) leverage the digital signals engineering expertise of their subsidiary TC Electronics which makes a ton of digital processing products to do digital synth products?

http://www.tcelectronic.com/production/products/

http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/

http://www.tcelectronic.com/guitar/


#152

Thirty minutes to warm up? An hour to calibrate?

http://cdm.link/2018/01/behringer-teases-oberheim-roland-clones-hints-production-delays/


#153

Wait a minute. Has the 101 been taken out of the mix? :frowning:


#154

I think most people who wanted a 101 have bought a 01A from Roland. Or two.


#155

Re: The Behringer Model D

Quote of Uli Behringer from this excellent article [Good find t]:
The next batch will hopefully leave the factory by end of coming week with some units being air-shipped to the US. The production is still relatively slow due to the fact that each unit takes over 30 minutes to warm up followed by a meticulous one-hour calibration and quality assurance procedure.”

So this is a manufacturing problem, and not one that happens every time the user turns the box on cold. (Or it better be.)

Perhaps this is something like, which trimmer pot of the twenty do you set first and how, so you’re not changing this one that changes the setting of another one you already did. Coming up with a detailed manufacturing calibration procedure can take time. (Trimmer pots, or trimpots are the little components on the board that you can only get at inside the box. There can be capacitors and inductors like this too.)

There is no way they meet their internal cost goals if they need to do this much hand tweaking on every unit.

Put simply the engineering of a product for production, especially with the extreme constraint of low cost, is complicated. It takes time.

My own wild guess to what might have happened: Skip this.

Sounds to me that there is too loose a relationship between the engineering and/or quality assurance team with those in manufacturing. This sort of problem should get caught long before a large manufacturing run and shipment. This is something that companies can face when they are large and are spread geographically, and fail at close communication.

It also could come from trying to work too fast, feeling pressure, committing to a large manufacturing run too soon. Personal experience here – perhaps they’ve been delayed with something else already and are looking to hit a home-run to catch up to schedule.

It also could be incompetence in the engineering design that didn’t account for the calibration process in manufacturing and basically engineered something that is almost impossible to mass produce, as every unit is hand tuned. I doubt this but it sure is possible, it’s been done.


#156

If the boog D is a ”clone” of the og moog circuit board, then sure enough the filter etc needs to be manually calibrated for each unit. Only logical.


#157

I was thinking something like that when i wrote my screed Tsutek. Perhaps you mean this in jest too. Of course a “clone” could go right down to a copy of the PCB silk screen. I guess the goal is to copy the good stuff and take some license with stuff that shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

Actually i’d love all original thought!


#158

There was plenty of discussion of Behringer’s recent announcements on Sonic TALK 520 just yesterday. There was some thought that Behringer will (or should) pay Oberheim for the OB-Xa rights.


#159

Totally agree with this line of thinking. If it’s a pretty much exact clone it is logical that circuits need to be tuned. But as things are it will always be assumed that behringer is doing something wrong.
If moog release a statement citing the same thing was holding up their production of model d people would say it’s because of how precisely engineered they synths are and it shows the amount of care goin into each hand built synth.

Funny how things are that way.


#160

I believe Gibson still owns the rights to Oberheim Electronics, though they have licensed the trademark to Viscount, unless Nick knows something we don’t. I do not believe Tom O. ever got the rights back.