Tangerine from 1010 Music

circuitghost · 2024-09-10T19:25:45.863Z

Y E S thank the lords but mostly 1010 as it were

MellowTron · 2024-09-10T21:41:01.185Z

A very welcome update feature indeed!

Kapspar · 2024-10-08T15:02:55.376Z

The question for me is how Mandarin copes with the playback of long large samples and synchronization with external devices. Can it be used as a sound mixer?

circuitghost · 2024-10-08T16:07:59.937Z

No. Just the stereo in and out. It streams eight stereo samples at the same time, flawlessly tho.

And it has an internal mixer, as well as solid converters. It’s not difficult to make tracks sound great within the Tangerine and its internal mixing.

MellowTron · 2024-10-25T18:11:17.951Z

Just wanted to share something here!

I decided to purchase the F9 Audio ‘classic bass vol.1 and 2’ for kontakt.

Then, I used ConvertWithMoss to convert the kontakt instruments into .wav files for the purposes of trying to import them as multi-sample instruments into the Tangerine. I wasn’t sure how the Tangerine would handle it because these kontakt bass instruments use round robin and some have up to like 5 different files per note.

To my delight, it works great! Looks to me like the Tangerine picks two files to use per note: one for a full velocity strike, and one for anything below about 100 velocity I’d say. And somehow it ‘knows’ to use the right sound for the full strike.

These bass sounds are sooo good. In fact I am now considering dropping the BS2 from my setup entirely and just using these F9 basses in the Tangerine. The only thing that I hesitate on, is that it definitely doesn’t sound as good to ride the filter on arpeggios, because the Tangerine lacks a filter envelope (Grrrrrr). Other than that, though……it honestly sounds better than the BS2. . Anyway, not sure what the point is here but I thought it was interesting and wanted to share

Tl;dr: Using ConvertWithMoss to load kontakt instruments on to the Tangerine works great, at least with this F9 audio pack.

DJCHEMIE · 2024-10-25T19:46:47.757Z

I think probably the biggest reason it sounds so good is that F9 Audio packs are insanely well produced. James Wiltshire from The Freemasons is behind it all. I have all the packs (thats useful for my musical interests). Never heard anything better to be honest from other packs (that i tried). Their time signatures, keys etc. are always perfect too.

MellowTron · 2024-10-25T19:48:40.099Z

It really is remarkable. Just incredible sounding stuff.

As much as it hurts my heart to not have a real synth in my setup, I think this pack, in the Tangerine, will be taking over bass duties for awhile haha

jankostera · 2024-12-06T16:42:57.964Z

Got one after lots of deliberating based on my bad experience with Bluebox and 1010 in general. I figured I might return it if it doesn’t suit me and yeah, this thing is 100% going back to Thomann.

Some experiences:

the left out channel didn’t work for like 20mins then it mysteriously healed itself. not very confidence-inspiring (yes all was plugged in & replugged, cables were changed and all that)
lots of - I guess - ugly sounding aliasing when using the filter on some sounds. Eww
just like on the BB the reverb has an inexplicable metallic shimmery something in the high end and it sounds ass
crashed twice on me in roughly 30mins of usage
the interface makes me want to poke my eyes out with a pointy stick but I guess one could get used to it
feels ultra flimsy

Positives:

I can attest to the quality of the sound itself, it really does sound great
the idea is brilliant on paper which I’m sensing is a theme with 1010 and for some people it might definitely be a very fun, useful machine
the piano is surprisingly playable given the limits of the Tangerine

Tldr and IMHO - good for hobbyist use, definitely doesn’t feel like a robust & reliable live solution. Bye 1010 for good.

g3o2 · 2024-12-06T18:37:26.123Z

It sounds more like you got hold of a faulty device. Whether Tangerine is a robust live solution is a matter of your precise needs. The points you’ve raised do not provide many hints as to what those needs would be.

Omar · 2024-12-06T18:49:08.476Z

Yes, I own several devices by 1010music and my experience has been vastly positive. I’m definitely not a pro but I’ve used them several time in a live context without any issue. I find their instruments pretty stable/reliable.

I do agree that their external appearance is horrible, though…

jankostera · 2024-12-06T20:06:57.550Z

It’s definitely possible it’s a faulty unit but it mirrors my experience with the Bluebox (channel dropouts, freezes) so idk.

That’s OK, I’m happy it makes you happy!) Just wanted to add my 2c since there’s not a lot of coverage about the Tangerine out there but obviously ymmv.

Re my specific expectations for live use - no freezes or dropouts would be a good start)

JoyrexJ9 · 2024-12-07T15:53:39.924Z

You seem unlucky. I’ve been using my Bluebox as my main mixer and recorder for several years

I’ve never had it freeze or a channel drop out. It’s not perfect by any means, but stability has never been an issue for me

idx3d · 2024-12-16T01:18:34.122Z

Can this sampler sample VSTs? I mean, it can, but does it really work for practical use?
Lets say I want to multisample a fat analog Diva bass patch and then use Digitone to sequence that sound of Diva in tangerine.
Is it a feasible idea at all?

icecold · 2024-12-16T01:32:48.965Z

Totally feasible, the only thing that it can’t really do afaik (and this is the same as the 1010 Blackbox) is glide between notes. But unlike the BB, Tangerine has ADSR envelopes that can be used to shape vol and filter parameters which make it viable for replicating patches. It won’t be 1:1, but it will be a workable recreation.

idx3d · 2024-12-16T01:36:45.973Z

Thanks. There is so little information about that particular application.

icecold · 2024-12-16T02:28:16.422Z

To be fair the advice I gave is generic, but I know what you mean. It’s an under-discussed use case, but honestly is probably one of the top intended uses by 1010.

MellowTron · 2024-12-16T06:06:11.963Z

To be clear though, the Tangerine currently does NOT have a filter envelope.

It’s one of my main gripes about it haha. Although I have to believe it’s coming in a firmware update one day

g3o2 · 2024-12-16T12:35:54.675Z

It is an overrated feature when working with samples. Tangerine is not meant to be a Prophet X.

Cwmoros · 2025-06-16T05:46:11.959Z

Why no legato or portamento? I love this box. But not being able to use it as a true mono synth is disappointing. Will this function be added? I’m no scientist but it doesn’t seem impossible. Thanks!

circuitghost · 2025-06-16T05:47:12.669Z

The question we must ask ourselves at this point in the conversation is -

Why do you ask me?

Although I don’t mind the company