I actually have this book, but a lot of it felt over my head, and geared toward professional mixing for creating studio mixes, as opposed to getting mixes that will punch through on a system in a live environment.
As I type that out, I realize I’m probably just being a little obstinate and lazy. A lot of the same principles should apply. I’ve always gone with cranking things and relying on reverb. I do tend toward a thick dense mix, overwhelming wall of sound type aesthetic, but I guess I got some learning to do.
Anyway I’ll stop derailing here, thanks for the advice.
List of high regarded studio monitors in (roughly) price/dimensions ascending order
Iloud Micromonitor (standrd/pro)
Kali LP UNF
Adam D3V
Iloud MTM (Either MKI and MKII)
Neumann KH80
Kali LP6 and IN5
JBL 305P MKII
Adam T7V
Focal Alpha 65
Genelec 8030c
Neumann KH120
These have all great performance/cost ratio and picking between them should come on a mix of personal preference/individual features.
Iloud MM standard are the best tiny monitor with a lot of low end for the size
Ilouds MM pro and MTM have embedded room correction
Adam D3V and Kali LP UNF have Usb-C audio input
Neumann and Genelec are best in class for build quality and flatness of frequency response
Kali LP6, JBL 305 and Adam T7V best bang for the bucks
Kali IN5 are 3 way with coaxial midrange/tweeter
Obviously they all have their quirks and limitations too, so the choice should be tailored to budget/use case/listening levels
I picked up a pair MTM MKI due to space limitations and embedded room correction, but I liked the Kali LP6 a lot before them, and in a money/space no object scenario I’ll probably pick either KH80 or 120 with their Sub (KH750) that adds room correction and the missing lowend.
Just a note about room dimensions, often used as parameter for picking woofer size… Well, in a nearfield setup that’s not a.main concern, as what you’re listening is mainly the direct output from the momitors, with very little room reflections added. But again, that can be very subjected to your setup, and due to a very unfortunate gear placement in my room, I choose to grab a pair of monitors with embedded correction, and despite being used as ultra nearfield (little room interaction)that feature, for my particular situation, was very worthwhile.
You’ll get a lot of different responses depending on what people like.
In my experience, it’s very personal and if you have the money, order a few pairs and compare them in your own space.
For me, genelecs trigger the shit out of my tinnitus even tho i think they are nice and revealing. I’ve owned both 8020dpm and 8030c.
I’ve owned Neumann KH120 as well when they were first released, which were great.
I now use Dynaudio BM5A MKIII - they are fantastic monitors for how much they are - really nice low end and not fatiguing at all yet they reveal poor mixing.
I wouldn’t recommend a specific set, only that you get at least a couple in your room - pick something that works and then roll with it.
I think in the future, I might get a pair of Dynaudio BM6A, I’ve not tried them - but if they are an improvement on my current Dyns, then they would be a buy once and use for 15 year monitors I reckon which is ideally what I’d like, something to use long term.
Good luck choosing and definitely get some in your room if you can as opinions vary wildly.
To me, acoustic treatment is the key and it cost… if you have bought your house to make your studio then you can.
If you rent = you are screwed. or if nomadism is important for your creativity then I wouldn’t bother
(Nomadism for creativity is not sufficiently discuss I think)
[entry level with some volume will do.]
After doing the best you can with headphones + a solution that will make your headphones as flat as possible. (and of course invest time to learn how to mix)
Better to rent a real mixing studio to mix yourself at the very end of your projects.
(if you can find one that accept to let you to use the gears yourself)
entry level monitors + studio grade headphone + calibration EQ flat + finnish in a real studio (that’s what I do) a sub bass transmitted by the body can really help as well : something like subpac but it’s not the only one ( Woojer etc…) + visual analyser tools and referencing to compare with your music references
What i learned after using only monitors for 2 decades:
Get a sub!
Before that i was mixing lowend “in the dark”. And now i can also enjoy music a bit more at home.
After your reply and reading up I absolutely think a “sub” is the key so thanks for the input. Sorry been to work all day so just checking responses now. By the way can you recommend any good subs?
Thanks
Yes a sub is definitely needed I think
Yeah it’s my own place the room is exactly (14x12) thanks
It all depends on what kind of money you want to put in there.
If you’re in an apartment, a small sub is ok.
If you need the bass to be as precise as possible, check the monitoring subwoofers. I went for a more traditional active subwoofer, ended with a Thomann CL112 mk2 sub it’s good enough for me…
If I made Techno I’ll get a rather huge set of quality PA speakers, Martin Audio or similars but something with at least a 12" woofer and up…
They would let me hear the low frequencies and feel them too! After all low frequencies are the foundation for that style of music.
No need for a sub, just two huge quality PA speakers ideally three-way and with xxl pizza sized woofers!
those are most of the times made to accompany subwoofers.
12" are pretty much pure midrange drivers in PA region, trust me, this is my living room:
very potent fully active 2x12", 2x1,2 kWRMS, no noteworthy output below 80 Hz. As supposed.
Even three way PA speakers most of the times wont do that, trust me:
besides that, quality PA is expensive, material price easily >1.000 € per piece, the horn thing is about 50 % more expensive. Its neither built nor working then, of course. If you want to buy something equal, its in the upper four-digits/piece
Yamaha HS8/Adam A5X.
On the one hand, its a tool, on the other hand, youre not supposed to be fatigued from listening after half an hour. So Id check a local speaker dealer and listen to some monitors to at least have an idea of what theyre sounding like.
Maybe I read over it, but is there a budget?
I wouldn’t go PA that’s for sure.
I have two powerful but relatively cheap electro voice with a sub… one day I tried to repeat a live performance on it in my living room it was awful. like really awful… it’s all about power but not precision. (maybe real expensive set but then what’s the point it’s not tailored for that) I’m sure good set of HIFI would be a more enjoyable experience. near field monitors gives focus and precision, I prefer that.
…for starters, in such a big room, i’d say…first of all…no matter what gear, no matter what genre, u’ll need proper nearfield monitoring either way, anyways…
in a perfect sweetspot triangle as @shigginpit 's graphic shows pretty accurately…don’t fool urself with any wannabe midfield monitoring…the really good ones are way too expensive and all the rest is just wasted money, since u gonna try to fill the romm to feel IT, but they never will…and run too loud won’t ever do the trick but trick ur judgement…so forget all those monitors that wanna sell u truu lowend translation and “accurate” loudness …that’s nothing but promotional promise talk…
SO for the ALL the jam and creating FUN of it, especially in a bigger room, search for a cheap 2nd hand 2.1 pa soundsystem…u’ll need a real sub and decent loudness to enjoy and know what ur doing at first and formost, no studio monitor that’s affordable will provide…and instead set that PA up BEHIND urself and ur gearpark…like almost halfway in the middle of that room…sub can come from either side…does not matter, as long it’s not too far off from the line u set up the tops…
u gonna need a little monitor controler, so u can switch between both systems and level the nearfields also in a way that they can play along…but no matter how much fun u have, in the end, the big fun system can only tell u how ur lowest octave is doing, for ALL the rest u need an accurate stereostage translation, only proper nearfields can tell u…and that are SMALL HI END ONES; NOTHING ELSE!!!..one’s for the work…one’s for the fun…
u can invest one grant in very good nearfields…5"ers or 6"ers…with full enclosure like genelecs or neumanns…
and another grant in a 2nd hand 2.1 pa, since only truu physical size will do the trick, no studio midfield 8"er can provide for real…especially not one of those under one grant…and even not those for one and a half…that’s wasted money…no bs…real life experience.
so two grant it is…for a small nearfields plus a cheap pa with a nice sub…
or u must think in an investment range of around 4 to 6 grant …for a single pair of big size dynaudio’s something…
all other solutions won’t do THE trick for real…and u’ll only find urself to buy somehting else in one or two years from now…and that is BS for real, since ur only as good in ur results as u know ur sound in ur room…
I am very satisfied with my “ADAM F5” speakers. Unfortunately, they are only available second-hand. The sound quality is great, and the bass reflex ports are front-facing.
I often leave my subwoofer turned off, as I don’t feel the need for it.
In addition to good speakers, room acoustics play a crucial role. Even the best speakers won’t perform well in a room with hard walls. To improve the acoustics, I recommend building some absorbers for the area between the speakers, as well as on the right and left sides and the ceiling.
You want the direct sound from the speakers, but not too much sound that first bounces off surfaces before reaching you. A simple setup with insulating wool, slats, and fabric can make a significant difference. It’s inexpensive, and the results are well worth it.
For techno id go with Neumann kh310! You need to hear the low end! Bigger Questeds would be better but they’re much more expensive and more fun. At least get a pair of Neumann kh120/kh150.
But no matter which speakers you’ll need good enough open back headphones too!
In that room id go with Neumann kh120 speakers and Neumann ndh-30 headphones.
or he could spend 3.400 € less and look towards Yamaha HS8, JBL308P, Adam T8V. 8" is 8" is 8".
In the end it doesnt matter if your frequency response is flat af or not, most important thing is to know your speakers.
no. why would he?
About 12/15 years ago I lived in London and used to mess around with techno on my MdM, MnM, OT in my crappy Bethnal Green flat.
I remember finding this thing at Cash Converters for like 50 quid:
A crappy Pavey 12" inch active floor monitor, let me tell you I was having so much fun with that thing, and it’s not true that they do only the midrange, the motherfucker was gut bashing me with bass.
Here is an old video from that time:
And yeah that crappy pink BMX was coming from the very same Cash Converters!
I miss that Pavey speaker, I donated it to my former roommate along with the BMX when I had to move back to Italy.
I didnt say and mean that
Its just that concept wise a PA top is most of the times designed to play > 80 Hz
A fullrange floor monitor is something totally different.
12"+1,4" in my hornloaded top (blue):
acoustic cutoff around 200 Hz. green curve is a 15" bandpass horn, cutoff around 80 Hz.
2x12" (+1,4" hf-driver) in sealed enclosure with no highpass filter:
when were talking about a
one does not coerce a 12" to play low frequencies, its just a different approach
Got it, and yeah it makes sense as usually they’re designed to be integrated with subs. I guess I’ll favour fun over 100% accuracy even though I think a good PA system these days can even be very accurate!