there you go…just samples, probably not worth much…adding in scenes/perf. parameters = win (worth the money)
love my AR
Same here. Are the samples not named? Makes it slow to build a kit with just the numbers to go by…
Same here. Are the samples not named? Makes it slow to build a kit with just the numbers to go by…[/quote]
Are you using the latest version of C6?
If not, the sample names will not transfer.
Same here. Are the samples not named? Makes it slow to build a kit with just the numbers to go by…[/quote]
Are you using the latest version of C6?
If not, the sample names will not transfer.[/quote]
Great thanks. Yes I had an old version.
kinda sad that the sampled hihats blow the analog hihats out of the water. i really hope an update comes along at some point for the analog hihats, because they are a serious weak point IMO.
same with the snare drum. a 12-bit sampled snare out of my MD punches the AR in the mouth.
Wow this samplepack sounds really good in the AR. Nice job Elektron (or who ever made it.)
GoldBaby is, in my book anyways, the master of sampling drum machines but there’s more to these kits then just the samples. It’s for example painstakingly clear to me that I need to gain stage my own AR kits way better and that I need learn that god damn AR compressor.
I Kind of agree with you here. It is difficult to get a really decent snare sound through just the synth and the hi hats are a bit weak.
The AR really comes alive for me though when combining samples with analog sounds - it just sounds SO AWEsome, like nothing else.
I Kind of agree with you here. It is difficult to get a really decent snare sound through just the synth and the hi hats are a bit weak.
The AR really comes alive for me though when combining samples with analog sounds - it just sounds SO AWEsome, like nothing else.
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agreed, and the performance/scene options really add to the fun. i just wish the analog machines had more punch.
the analog hihats are just the fizzy, clicky, weak little things. i’ve all but given up on them- again, my MD with 606 samples blows it out of the water. i’m trying all sorts of things with the analog hihats to make them sound more interesting, like using the lfo to modulate decay rythmically, or panning, etc… but in the end, they just sound weak.
i don’t mind the kick too much, i can work with it. actually i have no qualms with the bottom end of the AR- she has a nice phat ass.
but the snare and hihats are just meh. seems a waste to not use them, but with these samples in there i see no reason to, unless an update comes out to add more synthesis paramaters or bettern machines in general.
Why would they if you guys keep giving them money for sample packs for their unfinished ANALOG drum machine?
Why would they if you guys keep giving them money for sample packs for their unfinished ANALOG drum machine?[/quote]
because they are a good company who listens to their user base and gives us the products we want, along with fixing the things we report and adding features we request. the fact that they post here speaks volumes IMO. i have faith that these things will be addressed with future updates.
also, this is pretty common with new pieces of gear- my P08 had sloppy midi timing for the lfo when released, and that was fixed. the A4 has needed updates, and it got them and will continue to get them as needed. the MD needed updates along the way. this is just the nature of new technology and it’s not limited to music machines.
i don’t see this sample pack as a means for elektron to bow out of future improvements to the AR. i see it as a nice, cheap bonus to a product that i already like, despite my criticisms. i’ve been a customer since 2003, have met the team, and will continue to work with their products as i believe in the company. yes, i want the hihats and snare to be improved. i voiced it here, as others have, and i believe elektron will listen to us.
I’m pretty confident Elektron will enhance the AR drum engines, but from what I’ve heard so far it seems many agree the HH & SD are kind of weak. This almost makes me wonder if going analog wasn’t a mistake in the sense that the synth engines seem so much more limited then the 12 year old MD, and if the sound isn’t great either then it sort of defeats the purpose of going analog. I think it is these types of concerns that make people say “where is elektron’s forward thinking approach?” That being said I do think that hybrid is the future and that combining samples & analog signals together should theoretically give best of both worlds… it’s just perhaps a shame that on the pure analog side, the drum synth isn’t on par yet with an MD/808/909 etc…
You do realize that the 909 is a hybrid, right? The Hats and Cymbals are samples.
Yes I’m quite aware of that fact, considering it’s one of the oldest drum machines in my possession… i was obviously referring to it’s analog side…
on the 909, can you create a hihat with the bass drum voice? 
Why would they if you guys keep giving them money for sample packs for their unfinished ANALOG drum machine?[/quote]
because they are a good company who listens to their user base and gives us the products we want, along with fixing the things we report and adding features we request. the fact that they post here speaks volumes IMO. i have faith that these things will be addressed with future updates.
also, this is pretty common with new pieces of gear- my P08 had sloppy midi timing for the lfo when released, and that was fixed. the A4 has needed updates, and it got them and will continue to get them as needed. the MD needed updates along the way. this is just the nature of new technology and it’s not limited to music machines.
i don’t see this sample pack as a means for elektron to bow out of future improvements to the AR. i see it as a nice, cheap bonus to a product that i already like, despite my criticisms. i’ve been a customer since 2003, have met the team, and will continue to work with their products as i believe in the company. yes, i want the hihats and snare to be improved. i voiced it here, as others have, and i believe elektron will listen to us.[/quote]
I would like better Snares and Hats sure, but I see the AR as a sample drum machine with an amazing sequencer and great arranging scope. The analog sounds just beef things up a bit.
After putting my fave drum samples in, I can make literally the best sounding drums I’ve ever hear within seconds - and I’m pretty shit at making drums…
Have to say though, the Toms are thumpingly good imho (Y) 
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on the 909, can you create a hihat with the bass drum voice? 
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Forget the hats I was speaking of the other 909 sounds ( SD, CP, RS, Toms etc ).
Check out the 606&808 for nice analog cymbal sound references…
The Straight808 expansion is nice, fine Goldbaby Selection, nice sounding, inspiring scene and performance mode. BUT, it’s just sample. Analog voices are OFF, all of it. Except the tweaks and scene/perf. It’s just a sample pack with 16 pattern. I really hope to see expansions who used fully the machine, with layering synth and samples. Adding some synth kits or layering kits… I think i will not buy sample pack anymore unless it’s going that way.
absolutely. i loaded up the samples last night, and knocked up a miami bass beat. i layered in the analog engine behind the snare and hihat samples for added bandwidth and was pleased with the results.
i see the machine as you do and will continue to work with it happily.
anyone want to buy an acidlab miami? LOL
I’m sorry, but I don’t get this whole thing.
On the Sonic State presentation, Cenk makes a big point of specifying that the AR is an analog drum machine with sample “support”, which he then explains : the samples are available to SUPPORT the analog voices. The AR is clearly not a sampler, as it can’t sample. Sample transfer is also extremely slow, and sample manipulation is limited, to say the least.
With all that, why would Elektron decide to create a sample only product for the AR ? And to be honest, if they had decided to make a sample pack that really pushes the boundaries of what we hear today, great. But 808 samples. Really ? I understand that there are scenes and performances set up for the user to play with, but I’m left wondering how fast those will become stale.
I suppose one might be interested in reverse engineering a few of the scenes / performances, and in turn learn something new, which is great ! I’m all for user - base education. But in that case, why not start with interesting, new sounding samples ? I’m not sure about everyone else, but I know that if I were to buy a pack like this, the first thing I would do is to replace the samples with my own. Why not ?
What I think would make a lot more sense, is if Elektron continued releasing sample packs for the OT, and concentrated on creating mad new sounds with the analog engines of the AR. The sample playback on the AR is simply wonderful, and opens up the machine infinitely, but it seems like the analog voices are simply getting ignored. Which is a shame, considering the amount of hype about the analog side of things.
I’d be curious to hear more about the experience of some of the buyers. And also, I’d love to hear what people get from this pack. I’m always willing to learn, and understand fellow Elektron users better, as I do teach quite a few. Any insight on what makes this product so appealing is very valuable to me as an educator.
Cheers !
I’m their ideal customer… I bought the pack because it was cheap and I wanted to to see what they did in some of the scenes/perf.
Other than that, I’m not sure there is a huge appeal…though it may appeal to a lot of people just wanting some quick 808 sound on their AR…the samples are well done and it seems to me the AR is actually bringing in new customers (users that have never used any other elektron gear)
As far as how I personally may end up using them down the road…I might use them for some layering.