has there been any word on ALS import or export for the maschine + ?
Exploring more…there are definitely some of the joys of early adopting in this box. I’ve never pre-ordered anything before. So this is semi-unexpected.
I just have to have faith that the stability updates are still coming down the pipeline
I mean that the synths in Maschine+ along with the ability to chain so many effects together gives you a lot more power to design complex sounds. The MPC Live, One and X just can’t compete with M+ in terms of sound design because of that. The built in parameters for tweaking in standalone are more extensive. And the fact that you can design sounds on your computer in Massive, FM8, Monark and Prism then transfer them to play them and tweak them in the standalone hardsare gives you soooo much more power than any synth the MPC has.
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Imagine the power you’d have if you stay in the box and use ALL of NIs effects and plug ins 
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If you can work that way, more power to you(seriously + literally) I’ve been trying for so long to adapt to computer making music- I almost had it with Renoise, but there’s some subconscious thing going on that makes approaching my laptop studio really difficult and off putting.
It’s not some trendy “I’m totes DAWless” thing for me. I am fully aware that the Maschine + is in all respects a computer. A DAW. But it’s a computer that doesn’t feel like a computer- and for some reason that makes it easier to approach.
But I have mad respect and envy for the people that can boot up and go every day on their computer to make music. It’s cost efficient and worlds of greater opportunity than what you can get stand alone
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The reason I love standalone is because I am on a huge computer screen all day doing funnel building and marketing stuff. Computers are certainly far more powerful and definitely better for mixing but there is a magic and focus to standalone operation. I can sustain it for longer. After 8 hours in a day on a computer I just get tired of staring at big screens. I also don’t like using a computer while performing live. What excites me the most is the ability to build new sounds in Massive, FM8 and Reaktor on the computer then perform them live on the M+ with less latency. Computers just aren’t as reliable on stage which is why I like using standalone Pioneer DJ gear. The M+ in combination with that is going to be killer AF.
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I definitely wasn’t knocking going dawless - I’m just as much a synth/gear head as anyone else.
Just with the M+ for everyone that’s impressed with the 3 synths it comes with, I’m commenting that it gets way more crazy if you use their software. The workflow on the M+ is the same, you just might have to turn to the computer every now and then to name something…
But as you probably know, you can load NI plugs, 3rd party plugs etc from the hardware - put the M+ on the other side of the room and use a really long USB cable 
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Now that some of you have the Maschine+, I quote myself in order to know if that’s possible. Also after the Force update that seems quite in competition about this task after the arranger update.
Maschine seems to be better at the overall flow and features from what I read, but less daw like at the arranger: are clips really making the maschine arranger view working for entire tracks with automations and so on?
On the Force side the arranger view seems really what can be called a daw in a box with automation possibilities and the rest.
What I’m curious too is what I initially wrote: imagine you would like to record and put/record in timeline/arranger view a 10/15 minutes modular drone from your modular.
Then you leave it as it is, maybe apply some effects on his channel, eventually, if needed, small cuts at start or end.
On top of this you add other tracks with loops or midi sequences.
Would be this feasible?
Which of the two boxes would be better at that described task?
Maschine+ specs side seems to have a more memory, but none of both have stream from disk.
Yes this would be feasible and both boxes can do it easily. You don’t need disk streaming for that.
Dunno if I can quote and link to other forums, but about Force I’ve read the following:
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I spoke extensively with an Akai tech support rep last week discussing this and a few other issues, and according to them the Force is limited right now to about 20 MINUTES OF TOTAL AUDIO PER PROJECT.
So with a couple of audio tracks with 10min sample each…
This was around march 2019.
If i can post the forum thread link, I’ll edit.
I think the beauty of maschine+ is that you are getting NI content, in a standalone unit without all the hassle of using a computer, updating drivers etc etc, which is what put me off using a computer 10 years ago. Seriously interested in getting one I think !!
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I’m still not convinced about M+, but as an owner of MK3 why would I?
I also did not get caught into “dawless” marketing net, so I believe I’m not the target audience here.
The “I do not want to stare at computer screen” argument was always invalid when using Maschine. It was designed to focus on controller from the start (apart from naming projects, which still can give generic “New Project” name directly from MK3).
I saw guys running it headless with laptop lid closed, running from mac mini or NUC with tiny display attached and so on.
In regards to drivers, updates and other stuff, it is still there for M+ so no difference really.
I get that for someone new to Maschine workflow the M+ is fresh fruit in music production land, but for users of MK3 or even older models, it’s the same thing minus USB cable attached to your computer.
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Yeah but this is a dedicated box, it isn’t running anything else like windows background tasks etc, so you are eradicating these problems, the caveat is you get by today’s standard a fairly underpowered computer that can only run certain plug ins however it has been optimised to do one job, that’s the appeal I think.
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I canceled my pre-order at my local music store just now, the delivery date kept slipping into the future…
Ordered another M+ at a different store that has them in stock, hope to join the discussion again soon with some hands on M+ experience!
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oh I see what you mean now, technically I agree although for some the mpc can get just as close because it’s a hybrid as well and for those who have komplete like just about all of us or any of those individual synths… you can run them in the mpc on your desktop and auto sample them and run them on your stand alone mpc but the maschine has the edge whenever dealing with the native eco system
For me it’s not about the actual physical computer screen (god knows I don’t mind playing video games at the end of the work day). It’s more of a mental thing—I’m just sick of thinking about computers. Yeah I could close the lid or get a Mac Mini or whatever but I don’t want to live my entire life through macOS. The M+ may have a Linux kernel in it, but it’s not a general-purpose computer.
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I get this so much. Like, I WISH I didn’t mind them(could have saved A LOT of money). It’s such a small yet heavy sticking point
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Sweetwater has tracking on its shipment, arrives tomorrow. Should have my replacement this weekend! I pray it works.
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You do you, but you’re trying to justify reasons why standalone has little to no advantages because you specifically don’t mind a usb cable to a computer. There are many owners of the mk3 and others who don’t want to be tied to a computer at all. Though I do get your point, you’re also forgetting the sheer ease of taking a single Maschine and a single power cable and being able to make music anywhere with a power outlet. This is a lot more convenient than taking a maschine, laptop, usb cable to laptop, dongle because that Apple life, power cable to laptop (because lord knows the battery won’t last long), and most likely an external hard drive with all your samples and instruments. With Maschine Plus I bought an extra power supply and I put one of the power supplies in the living room. When my work shift is over and the kid is asleep, I literally grab the maschine with nothing else and plop down on the couch to make music. No computer screens. No usb cables. No laptop fan going off like a jet engine. No email dings and message chimes during my session. No urge to just surf the internet instead of making music. That to me is worth it and though I didn’t have a mk3, if I did, I would still buy the maschine plus.
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What spare power supply did you go with?