Some words of warning when buying . .

Not debit card, credit card. Gives you a lot more protection.

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please … you are so misguided in your contrary opinions and attitude here it beggars belief - it took this gentle persuasion to get a realworld result - there were many many ways this could have played out without intervention which was sadly required and the buyer had been overly patient by a long long way

There is no innocence here, there’s restoration and massive contrition (which i’ve seen) - the guy had read his messages and wilfully ignored them and all responsibilities to the sale (he wasn’t dead or hijacked as you fancifully suggested) - so please have some sense of what’s happened here in reality on this occasion and stop trying to play the self righteous card

there was no mistake the seller was accused of failing to fulfil any reasonable obligations in time - if you don’t have all the facts nor are directly involved why not just accept that it’s best to see this as a fair way for it to come to an end - this isn’t about you, this is a good news moment, don’t sour it


Frankly - this kind of inciting language coupled with the previous stirring is not helpful wrt the guidelines, so go and re-read those please

https://www.elektronauts.com/guidelines

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A big lesson from What???. So after 4 weeks of a item not being sent you would just think “oh it’s Ok,the seller might be having personal problems leading to my item not being sent, so I will just sit back and do nothing”. Somehow I don’t think so. I’m happy the seller as decided to send the item and makes this forum a safe place to buy and sell

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@Stumm42 adding fuel on the fire is of no use at all, let’s not do this.

@sabana you have no reason to antagonize users, after all it seems to end rather well.
This was IMO solved in the smartest way, with patience and respect for both parts.

I guess some lessons were learnt, let’s hope we won’t see such problem arise anymore.

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Ok sorry👍

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Stuff like this makes me feel better for my trust issues.

Edit: Even when I sell stuff I give the option: “+ 3% for PayPal fees or if you feel like trusting some random guy on the internet you can pay me via friends and family”

It’s my way of giving them the option to pay less while also informing them that it’s a super bad idea

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you have your own responsibility to help moderate the forum if you see posts that you believe shouldn’t exist unchallenged then do what you have to instead of pointing the finger - i don’t see that you’ve issued any flags so presumably there’s none that troubled you - there wasn’t any pitchforks either afaicr just justifiable anger and that hasn’t changed - note this is a broad thread discussing many accounts of scamming

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Could you clarify the options as you see them in this case, or point to an existing explanation please?

The guidelines are where you can find loose definitions for posts considered flaggable.

If you feel a post does not adhere, flag it, and then the team of moderators will examine.

Thanks!

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Sorry the OP has gone through this… sucks. No way around it. I haven’t read every reply and I’m sure this has been covered, but just adding my $0.2c having been involved with Ebay since '2000 and owning my own retail and ecommerce store as well:

  1. Never use PayPal “Friends and Family” for something you’re buying. Ever. Even if it really is from a friend or family member. Only use this when you’re donating money. If the buyer has a problem with that it should be a red flag right there. They should have factored in that cost into the selling price. If I have to and I want the item enough, then I’ll give them the extra 3% or whatever is to cover it in the selling price. It’s absolutely worth the piece of mind IMO.

  2. Never use a debit card. Debit cards are completely covered from fraud (unauthorized charges) just like credit cards, but credit card companies generally (in my experience) will “fight” for you more and you will not have had the money withdrawn from your account yet at that point. American Express is particularly good in my experience with disputes (I’ve been on both sides of the fence having had a retail business). Amex can be an absolute MF’er to deal with when you’re on the wrong side of them.

  3. Always ship fully insured with a tracking number. Offer to pay the seller extra for shipping if needed. I just bought an Avalon Bassline a couple weeks ago where the seller said “shipping included”. I completely reimbursed him for the shipping costs (all of it) due to how well he packed it, made sure it was insured and sent me the tracking number. He sent me a photo of the Fedex receipt for verification.

Buying online especially person to person takes a risk and involves trust, but there’s definitely some things you can do to mitigate some of it and at least put yourself in a position where they’ll still be hassle and disappointment involved, but you remain covered when something doesn’t work out.

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I like what you represent in this matter, but the fact that the seller just came forward right after I shaked my pitchfork after a month of silence just tells me a different story than the one you are telling. Also mods were all over this as there was some wrong doing. Nothing of the personal stuff we found was posted.

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If the issue has been solved why does this thread remain open.

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LTJ Bukem, Danno!

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How do we know you’re not the catfish? Or what if I’m the catfish :thinking: it’s a conspiracy, Chemtrails are turning the frogs gay. Seriously though why would someone argue with the mods on an alt account and draw attention to themselves?

Glad it’s getting resolved OP

Edit: lmao flagged out, didn’t mean to offend the conspiracy theorists. my bad

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I could very well be the catfish…

The plot thickens.

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OP advises that this should be resolved within a couple of weeks. Closing the topic seems like the best thing for now. Maybe an update can be posted after there’s closure of the matter.

Just a final update to the saga that has taken place regarding the sale that didn’t quite happen.

Jon’s refund of the money arrived today as he had promised it would. Since being open and contacting me a couple of weeks ago, he has been in communication and responded to the messages I have sent him. However, I would like to thank those of you on this forum who have been supportive; essentially Jon’s actions were fraudulent and fell outside of what I would hope to experience in this community. Jon himself wrote something similar regarding his conduct. Sadly, the things that can come our way and the circumstances we experience can be challenging and difficult. However, communication is essential to lessen the impact of these moments. Thankfully Jon has turned this around in relation to my interactions with him, and I sincerely hope things are on the up for him. As for me, I’ll refrain from the “friends and family” option on Paypal in the future.
Many thanks for all the support.
Adam

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Briefly opened to facilitate this update. Probably best left at that.

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